Chronos, Are you INTP on Meyers Briggs?
One guess as to what I am.
Vote count!
Paulwhoisaghost (3): Rysto, Freudian Slit, Mahaloth
Nanook (2): AllWalker, Meeko
Chronos (1): Special Ed
This is important and I don’t know how to quote the post that pedescribe is responding to in this post, so I’m copying and pasting it. It’s post 577 if you want to look it up to make sure I’m telling the truth.
It’s a post from Chronos and I’ve snipped the first half because it’s not relevant to what I’m pointing out:
<<And while I’m here, I might as well ask:
<<Do members of the Sinner faction at any given point in time know how many <<players there are at that time with the Sinner win condition?
<<If yes, do they know who those players are?
This is the post I was looking for yesterday. Everyone seems to be operating under the assumption that the Sinners are in a thread the way scum would be in an ordinary game. If they don’t know how many players there are with the Sinner win condition at any point in time, and also don’t know who those players are, I don’t see how there can be a Sinner thread.
Of course, I’m also not sure how they can sinfect people at night if they don’t vote together. Perhaps they each vote by PM to pedescribe? Or the victim is chosen randomly? Or there’s a head Sinner who makes the choice him/herself?
Bloody hell - for a moment there I thought I was on FB with the volume of posts.
I need more caffeine before tackling the days posts.
Your last option is my guess. Of all the sinner roles, one of them probably has the power role of being able to recruit/sinfect others. Of the others there’s probably some other power roles in there and at least one ‘vanilla sinner’. Similar to a mason group with it’s own wincon.
I phrased that that way with a distinction between “members of the Sinner faction” and “players with the Sinner win condition”. My best guess of the meaning of pede’s answer is that those people who started the game as Sinners do get to communicate in some way, but that the people they recruit are not allowed into that “inner circle”.
Oh, and a post I didn’t see before my previous post:
Quoth Meeko:
To sum up: special ed claims to have privileged information that Meeko is Town, while paulwhoisaghost claims to have privileged information that special ed took no actions last Night. This is exactly the sort of situation I enjoy analyzing in these games. The upshot is, it is not possible that (Meeko is Scum and special ed is Town), and it is unlikely that all three of Meeko, special ed, and paulwhoisaghost are Town (unless special ed’s knowledge comes from a source other than a Night action, such as a Day action or a PM at the beginning of the game).
Paul I’m really not sure what you aimed to achieve with the PM msg - declare yourself as a target to scum, or an attempt to gain town cred.
Even your claim is murky - tracker/vig (you claimed you could kill) and that the side effect of your power is someone getting randomly infected.
In general, a change of win condition is recruitment - so an infected player can chose to be recruited, so as Ed has previously mentioned, the Sinners are more of a Cult.
Well that wasted 10 mins of my life pointing out why your theory was wrong, and then you go and finally notice it yourself.
This confuses me - ok lets say that you have randomly infected someone as a result of your action - then how do you know there is another sinner? Are you adding investigator to the list of skills.
So if we believe Paul then Ed is possibly scummy; but the momentum seems to be that Paul is scummy. Of course, both could be scum - tho if they were the case, why would Paul effectively contradict Ed?
I can’t make up my mind whether you are scummy, or have just gotten yourself into a hole and kept digging.
Elsewhere in the news
Waaayy back here - the rest of the post was pretty much fluff and a suggestion that Chronos was after a mass fishing trip. The thing about this post that pings me is the need to say something to make it look like you were saying something - hey! I’m hiding in plain site.
The rest of the things that pinged me are kinda irrelevant now as the O v E debate as been purged.
Oh, my God, this thread is painful to read. It seems like Meeko has totally taken over the game with his constant posting of stuff which is completely incoherent half the time. At least peeker usually only posts a sentence or two per post. We are spending all of our time reacting to him rather than playing Mafia. Could be a way of lurking in plain sight, could just be him being a newbie. I am more than half tempted to propose lynching him just to stop the game from adding three new pages of nothing each day.
I can totally see why people were hot to lynch paul; from his “Sinners are just like us” comment yesterday, to his failure to vote, his bizarre “Look at me, I’m a power role!” last night which somehow didn’t get him modkilled, to his trying to softclaim and then throwing a hissy fit when people called him on it…he’s not playing Town, whether he actually is Town or not. I don’t think I buy his claim; he may have some or all of the powers he claims, but that doesn’t mean he’s Town. If** Angel** says she has been dissinfected Tomorrow morning, that won’t rule out the possibilities that (a) Angel and Paul are on the same scum team or (b) Paul is a Blackheart with some anti-Sinner powers.
I still think my case against Angel was pretty good for Day One. I wish Town would be making some more progress, because I like to have a better case on Day Two. Again, if you go back and re-read page six, in which Angel is asked to clarify her actions, stumbles around contradicting herself and finally manages to arrive at a position in which she is no longer contradicting herself and can explain her actions by claiming to have made two massive oversights (editing a post and voting for me based on completely false pretenses). The whole interaction just felt very off to me. At the very best, she is Town who is not paying attention, and I think she still might be my favored lynch candidate.
I’m also fine with lynching Nanook; he is lurking and I thought he might have been guiding the Spurious bandwagon yesterday. Seems like if we are going for a lurker, though, why not BillMC, who not only hasn’t been playing but didn’t even vote yesterday!
Questions:
Meeko, why did you vote for Spurious George? Why did you first vote for Paul, then unvote him, then vote him again, then unvote him again, then vote for Nanook? This sort of thing – votes and the reasons underlying them – are the sort of thing we need to be talking about, not whatever bizarre tangent you happen to feel like going off on. Information about how other players are thinking is what really helps Town.
Angel, you posted almost immediately after the Dawn post. Why did you wait until the next day to let everyone know you had been sinfected?
NETA : I was saying that Chronos feels that CHRONOS puts himself in a bubble, not that Meeko somehow is put into a bubble. – No one would thus vote against Chronos.
I would hope that would be clear, but I want to bend over backwards here.
This is a terrible idea, exactly the opposite of the way the game should be played. If we lynch someone who we all agree is acting bizarre, what do we do tomorrow? Even if he turns out to be scum, what have we gained in terms of information to base our Day Three votes on? What “information” would we profit from depriving the scum of;our thought processes? Sure, it is risky to let the scum know that we suspect them, but it is unavoidable. We have no other way of communicating our suspicions to our fellow Town, which is essential for using the strongest tool we have – the lynch – effectively. And how does it help us to “block their obvious move?”.
We need to be talking about the game. We need to be justifying our votes.
Meeko doesn’t want us to be doing the first, and clearly isn’t doing the latter.
What the hell, I’ll just go for it.
vote Meeko pending some coherent explanation of his thought processes there.
Two Noob questions:
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Bleach?
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I notice that most people Bold names of other people. Why exactly? I have a guess, but I do not want to bias the answer.
People bold names to make it easier to see the names. I don’t do it because it makes it easier for people to skim. They don’t have to read every post, just look for their name. The upside to it, is that when you are doing a reread or looking for a specific post about someone it is easier to find.
Bleaching is when you break or remove the color tag from a vote when quoting so that it doesn’t show up in blue and possibly confuse the mod into thinking you were voting.
It’s sort of a standard thing on the SDMB. It’s not specific to Mafia games here.
Back when I was voting Paul, this line of reasoning made sense.
Frankly, I think we can all agree that Paul self destructed here. He is probably number one on a very short list that Blackhearts or Sinners have right now.
I figured, as long as we HAD to vote, if we could vote Paul, we could get the day over with, doing what we needed to do.
I was hoping to force Sinners and Blackhearts to make a WORSE choice than voting Paul.
In this way, it would help Town. Or so I thought.
I have moved off voting Paul. My Ideas for this game fall apart the moment I put them in the water.
I am confused by Paul. However, I don’t think he has long for the game.
I was looking at just THAT small aspect of the game, and I Was looking for the best way I thought Town could play it.
Common Sense, and Experiened players have given a FEW reasons as to why we can not off Paul. – If That would matter tommorow anyway.
In short, I was willing to take a loss here, because I figured Scorched Earth over Paul IS the logical choice Tonight.
I Think I am wrong here.
At the end of the day, I just don’t know.
Here’s the deal. The Idle game is slow enough that I can follow it and post to it from work. This thread? Way too busy to keep up with during working hours. However, that said I’ll be back with some thoughts in a bit. But in the mean time, I want to hear from Ed and Paul as to the apparent contradiction in their claims.
If you did nothing last night, as Paul claims, then how do you know Meeko is Town? If you’re a Mason, you might as well just claim now. If you aren’t, and you did in fact take an action last Night, then you need to say so since it would indicate that Paul is a liar.
Because I didn’t see the PM telling me I was sinfected until much later.
Vote Thing Fish
This is an OMGUS vote but I don’t care. You seem hell-bent on getting me lynched when all I’ve demonstrated is confusion with the mechanics of the message board.
And now you’re trying to connect me with Paul as a Blackheart because I believe his claim?
Well, **Nanook **has at least checked in.
Captain Pinkies?
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It would seem that two lines are what is asked of, of me, from now on.
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Are we stating that Paul is Blackheart, or Sinner?
Regarding my “lurking”. This comes up in every single game I play, and I’m done defending myself regarding it. I put more thought and content into one of my posts than most people put in 10. My style is not changing, period. If you want to lynch me for it, go to town. But at least try and pretend you have a reason for it.
Meeko, please do me a favor and just take a deep breath. This is not Haggle. Unless you are a Third Party/PFK, you win as a team with your side. Thinking outside the box is good, but thinking so far outside the box that no one has any clue what you’re on about is not. It actively hurts your side, whichever it may be, and makes it difficult for people to play. Peeker is similar, but his style has adjusted some to the point where he is still Peeker, but you can follow him with a little effort. You aren’t at that point yet. I would love for you to get to that point though, because people who think and act differently are a great boon to Mafia in general.
Thing Fish. You think I was guiding the bandwagon Yesterday? Really? And how the hell was I doing that? I came in the middle of it. Plenty of people voted for him both before and after I did. No one seemed to jump on my post as a reason to vote for him. Yet you seem to think I guided it.
Right now, I’m probably going to vote for one of two people, depending on what they post in the near future. Either Paul or Ed. What they say regarding the apparent contradiction will determine where my vote falls.
Well if I had made up my claim, it wouldn’t be such a mess… I would have only claimed a single power. As it is, the role is Pede’s crazy handywork. Oh… and if I had faked my claim I would have set Ed up to be lynched 
(and it pains me that I have to say this, but that last part was a joke)
Pede said himself that each faction takes an action on the players as a whole each Day/Night cycle. The town votes for lynch/the blackhearts NK/ and the Sinners… well they sinfect right? At least that was my thought process… I dunno what you all thought.
You make it sound like Ed claimed something and I contradicted him. When what actually happened is I provided you with the info I received and Ed claimed to provide info he has on Meeko. I don’t know what to make of the situation…