The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)

OK, Angel’s story is almost consistent now… She changed sides in the first place because she apparently thought that, at that point, Sinners had a better chance than Town, or that playing as a Sinner would be more fun. She obviously lied about Praying because if we knew that she was Sinfected but not praying, we’d lynch her on the spot. Once she learned more about how recruitment works, and Captain Pinkies was killed, the Sinners’ chances started looking a lot worse, and so she regretted her choice to change wincon. When paul cleansed her, she got the chance to take back that choice, and took it. And now, she’s explaining all of this to us to get some useful information to Town, which potentially helps her current side.

It all fits together, except for one thing: Angel, back when you were Sinfected, why did you tell everyone you were? It seems to me to be a bad idea to accept the Sinner wincon but still tell everyone you were targeted.

I’ve been contemplating that possibility, too, but I’m having a hard time working it out. What’s the motivation, or the planned outcome? The least convoluted thing I can think of is that she’s throwing herself under the bus to distract attention away from some more important Blackheart, but I don’t think there was really a significant lead for anyone before she spoke up.

The motivation would be setting herself up as a near confirmed Townie. If people had fully believed her story, there would be a lot of people thinking she was definately Town and therefore wouldn’t be lynchable. Which is game winning from a scum stand point.

POP. My head just exploded.

This is making no sense. cola is sying that this has more credibility than moi.

And I am still trying to get into the flow of this game.

But sheesh you folks really need some medicine,

unvote

vote meeko, meely, chronological and angel

All of you are just making the hubble take fuzzy pictures of the earth.

Can I just have a quarter of my vote go on each of them?

Sorry, I was riding in a car for 8 hours after packing all my stuff and cleaning my room. After which I crashed for 12 hours. But on the other hand…I am FINISHED with my first year of college! Yay me!

Anyway, vote count:

AngeloftheNorth (4): Joey P, Allwalker, Nanook, Meeko
Allwalker (1) AngeloftheNorth
Peekercpa (1): TF
Malodorism (1): peeker

F4

Gotcha covered.

THIS IS AGAINST THE RULES. PLEASE WAIT WHILE THE MOD DECIDES YOUR PUNISHMENT

No.

If Malodorism is me, I believe Peeker just removed the vote from me.

Actually, even if it isn’t me, he did. I just care more if it’s me. :slight_smile:

And I assume I’m “chronological”. Who’s meely?

Happy weekend everyone. I took a lot of time to read and left not much to post…

After reviewing Day Two, I feel much more suspicious that Freudian Slit nka peeker was/is scum. Briefly, I call your attention to posts 670, 690, 699, 700, and 747 (where she calls the freakin’ Blackhearts “us”?!).

OTOH, I’m happy to talk about that Tomorrow. I thought Angel was acting scummy before we knew she was a liar. I’ll keep my vote on peeker to mark my primary suspect, but will almost certainly switch to Angel if she needs my vote at the end.

More before Dawn…

Post 747:

I don’t see anything that indicates that “us” means “blackhearts”, there. And posts 690 and 699 are by special ed, not Freudian Slit… Is it really evidence against someone to just find posts where others were criticizing them? And for that matter, if Freudian’s behaviour back then was so scummy, why didn’t you say anything at the time? Did you skim over it and not notice it, or something?

This is my concern, too. Back in post 1330 I asked Angel about this. If Angel wanted to jump ship, why bring up the sinfection at all? Why not lay low?

All right, it’s getting close enough to the end that I ought to have a vote on record. Since I expressed my suspicions at the start of the day, Mahaloth hasn’t really done much to further my suspicions. On the other hand, looking at Nanook’s full vote history:

1: Dismisses “case against Chronos” as lynching the loud (note: I only had one vote on me at the time).
Defends editing
Votes Spurious, with no explanation

2: Defends self for low participation
Points out apparent contradiction in paul and special ed’s claims

3: Defends self for low participation
Tells Meeko to think a little closer to inside the box
Defends self against charge of bandwagoning
Declares intent to vote for paul or special ed

4: Defends not voting

5: Discusses possibility of single-Sinner start.
Speculates that Sinners, even if not finished, are crippled
Defends choice of hypothetical protective role

6: Raises possibility of a non-Town protective role

7: Further discusses possibility of non-Town protective role

8: Defends editing

9: Defends editing

10: Explains peeker’s nickname for him

11: Expresses doubt about Angel’s claim, votes her based on lying

12: Expresses doubt about Angel’s claim

13: Further discusses Angel’s claim

I count a total of 21 different contributions there, in 13 posts. But a lot of those are duplicates: Three contributions are a defense of his own low participation, three are defenses of editing (which, even if only slightly anti-Town, is still pretty clearly not pro-Town), three are about not trusting Angel’s recent claim, three are discussing the possible motivations of the protector we may or may not have, two are about the apparent contradiction between paul and ed, and at least one was completely irrelevant to the game (explaining peeker’s nickname).

Further, most of those contributions came after I said I was suspicious of him, and his first two points are agreeing with things I’d said, which might be an attempt to butter me up.

What I’m not seeing here is much attempt to find Scum. Even if we charitably count the unexplained vote for Spurious on Day 1, I’m only seeing three offensive moves in there, one of which didn’t even have a vote attached. Town should be fighting harder than that.

Vote Nanook of the North

Vote Count:

AngeloftheNorth (4): Joey P, Allwalker, Nanook, Meeko
Nanook of the North (1): Chronos
Allwalker (1) AngeloftheNorth
Peekercpa (1): TF

Due to being exposed to the tactics and opinions of several players not in this game, AngeloftheNorth is being forcefully subbed out by paulwhoisaghost.

Paul is not allowed to make any clarifications or explanations of his former role.

Fair enough, but my vote against paulofthenorthwhowasaghostbutisnowanangel stands.

Chronos makes a good point in his voting post. In this game we are seeing a few lurkers, and a few reformed lurkers. Something to look out for, though, are the lurkers who are posting more but still saying little. Town has to be aware of those sneaking under our radars. Of course, this is not the only scum tell to look for. Whether or not a person contributes in one thing. Not being truthful, to the point of outright lying, is another, hence my vote.

Of course, these are the more obvious scum tells. Clever scum is harder to identify.

paul, are you required to adhere to the same posting restriction Angel claimed to be under? Consult with pedescribe, if need be.

(I would ask pede directly, but he’s already F4ed a question about that restriction, so I imagine he would do the same again, presumably on the grounds that we don’t know that Angel was telling the truth that the restriction even existed in the first place)

Oh, and pede?

This is a bit awkward, given that Angel/Newpaul’s current status is closely tied to Oldpaul’s role. Not that I have any better suggestions, and I don’t envy your current position of trying to juggle players like this.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

**Pede, if you want to scrap this game, just do it.

WTF is going on now?**

WTF are you confused about?

Two things. And if you guys can’t understand it, then I can’t help you.

It is as simple as this:

This game is NOT mafia as Advertised.

This game is NOT The Crimson Glyph as Advertised.

It was once, but that was back when we could still Ostracize. Back had the original Cast, Back when we DIDN’t have to live with “F4” [It is beyond a joke now. It’s now a band aid on a mortal wound.] Back when we didn’t have Chinese in the game, for no apparent reason.

I am not sure what game I am playing any more, what with all the changes going on.

**Yes, My vote in effect should not change, based on what hand is in the puppet, I understand that. **

The principle remains the same: It does not matter what I do, or don’t do in this game. Pede can change it ALL up on a moment’s notice.
**
Why on Earth is PAUL back? Isn’t he more a conflict of interest than Angel was? **

Tell me he is going to play with out regard to his former role. I dare you.

That is why this game is no fun. No one can definitively do anything.

God help them if they want to.

God help them if everyone else can’t keep up with the intelligence required.

That is the issue. Everyone THINKS they are playing. But it boils down to the fact that, if no one did anything, no one would win.

NETA:

To say NOTHING of the fact that the time per in game day is forever.

So sub out or quit complaining, it’s all you’ve done since you started. Asked ridiculous questions, often the same questions over and over and complained that it’s not going the way you want it to go.

Honestly, just sit back and enjoy it. Go with the flow and stop acting like the game is broken every time something doesn’t work the way you think it should work.