The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)

The Game Room
1381

At this point, I’m getting tired with it. Not because I am out of steam, but because Pede is gonna get itred sooner, rather than later.

Joey, I disagree with your statement above. Not only does it imply that the game IS broken, but further, that I broke it.

NOTHING will change my mind that we lost Telcontar due to luck alone.

NOTHING will change the fact that we have had how many subs now?

And, I have already Appologized for my style of play. Further, I have admited that it comes from Haggle.

Seriously, did you guys have this hard a time with your first Mafia game?

1382

**It is not broken, Meeko. **

The only thing that has been really odd is that we’ve had a lot of subs. In a game of Mafia, it helps to have all active players really, really, talkative.

In this game, some people are not playing very actively, which I have even suggested is a reasonable scum tactic. I still believe we should have most likely lynched one of them on Day One. For all we know, this* was *Captain Pinkies tactic(he was scum…sinner, anyway).

I still don’t understand your problem with it. Is it the ambiguity?

1383

No, but it was a simpler game. Only one scum faction, very active players, and only a few power roles.

This game is way more complex and I’ve liked it just as much, actually.

1384

Who care’s if there are subs, and what difference does WHY/HOW we lost Telecontor have to do with anything? I mean, yeah, it may influence your votes, but that’s how the game is supposed to be played.

Honestly, I think you came into the game expecting something completely different and now your upset that it wasn’t what you expected and you’re blaming it on the mod.
Go and take a look at some of the other mafia games. Go see them arguing about who voted for whom. Go see people get lynched for voting this player or unvoting that one. Go see people asking mod questions (within reason). Go see people getting subbed. Then come back to this game and see all the same things.

1385

If I may, Mahaloth?

I translate your question in a few different ways.

I think you are asking me, if I want to leave. No, I would like to see as much of this game as I can. Frankly, I do not think this game can stand another sub. You can dress that statement up to how you think about me, but the math of the fact remains, we can not handle another sub in here.

OR

You could be asking me, if I somehow feel the game is subdued by something, yes?

If that is the question, then yes, I feel the game is being held back.

OR

You could be asking me, if I have a love hate relationship with the game.

If that is the question, then yes, I know this game can chug along at a modest clip, towards being a classic logic puzzle. (Mrs.Smith lives next door to Mrs.Jones, but does not have a cat. The Flute player does not live next to a dog) But, for some reason, I feel this is not that.

Yes, I thought this game was going to be something else. **And nearly every single time I re-adjust, something else happens to the game.
**
Would I like to have had a Power Town role? Of course, who wouldn’t?

But, I know this is luck of the draw. I clearly saw my self carving out a place letting the game know most of my thoughts towards the game. I figured in this way, I could add more to the game, than my near vanilla role that I have.

You might not like how I think, but as long as you can take ANYTHING away from what I say, then I felt I have done my job.

I am trying to, and thought I could, transcend a position in the game I keep getting thrown back into.

I’m not so sure we can escape the think tank here. Can we at least move on to new things?

1386

God, I hope so.

:smiley:

1387

But then again, You only get one vote. (Well, ok, MOST roles get one vote)

So, I am not moving off of New Paul as my vote.

I guess I get to sit with my thumb up my butt.

What does the game look like if everyone claims on day one, -“Honestly, I swear” ?

1388

It depends on the game. It’s one of the things that the moderator has to consider. The last thing that the mod wants is for a mass claim to win the game for the Town. What I’d expect to happen in a normal game would be that the power roles would get picked off by scum quickly, which would hurt the town.

Mass claims can be helpful – I can think of at least two games where mass claims have been a big part of the Town’s victory – but it’s best to wait until the game gets nearer the end to do it.

1389

Peeker,

I wanted to wait till after the game, to ask you in PM.

However, I think it fits now.

I am dead serious here.

Peeker, How did you feel playing your first Mafia game? What pulled you in to the game?

What past Mafia experience, EXACTLY, restrains* your play in this game?

*You wouldn’t have a Mafia legacy such that you have (for long) if you didn’t modify your play with experience.
Not sure I am fishing here. Still not clear on what fishing means, in a game that NEEDS information.

But, if I was, you can fish from other completed? games, right?

1390

Fishing is trying to get someone to claim. Maybe voting for them w/o a good reason, maybe asking them “why they are so worried about being night killed” that kind of thing. What you are doing is asking question unrelated to the game…which is fine, but you really should wait until toNight to do it. Wait, did the Day end? It should have I think.

1391

OK, maybe so (nobody knows for sure but the Scum, and they ain’t talking). But, so what? Luck always plays a role in Mafia games, especially in the first few turns.

There are elements of that, to be sure (such as the knowledge we now have that you and special ed are on the same team). But it’s not entirely a logic puzzle, or it couldn’t be a competitive game (there are enough logical folks on the Dope that if it ever got to the point where Scum-finding was a purely logical exercise, Town would win every time).

Might I also suggest that you take this sort of discussion into your mason thread, instead of here? That way, you know that the people giving you advice are on your side, and you’re not derailing the conversations that are going on here. After this game is over, you can discuss what you saw as the flaws in this game in the open, and we can all see what actually happened in the various secret discussion areas, and make unbiased comments on everything.

1392

To review recent posts before Meeko’s current complaints, in hope of getting discussion back on track:

1349, Thing Fish reviews some of Freudian Slit (now peeker)'s history, and expresses suspicion
1350, Chronos rebuts Thing Fish’s analysis of Freudian Slit
1351, AllWalker agrees with puzzlement about Angel’s Sinfection claim
1352, Chronos recaps Nanook’s post history and votes him for low participation
1353, pede gives a vote count and forcibly replaces Angel
1354, AllWalker reaffirmed vote for Angel/paul, agrees that we need to look out for lurking and other scum tells
1355, Chronos asked some about the substitution of paul for Angel

1393

One would wonder, at this point, if Chronos, ThingFish, Peeker, are all three on the same side or not.

My bet, is that each, to his own.

(That is, I would bet, no two of the above are on the same team.)

No real reason, except for my ongoing milding pinging of Chronos, and suspicion such that it is, of Peeker Slit.

1394

Interesting. Often Scum will stage arguments with each other. They attempt to distance themselves from each other so that if one dies, the other doesn’t appear as a Scum buddy.

However, often times they won’t as well.

But we need more analysis like this in order to find the Scum.

I’m going to do a re-read with notes and get back to the thread at some point tonight or tomorrow

1395

I just want to say I’m sorry, Ped. It was a genuine accident. I didn’t mean to screw up the game.

1396

Remember, the Day ends tomorrow at noon Eastern.

1397

I know, and I still have not received any instructions regarding my bought vote.

:confused:

1398

Due to sudden events beyond my control, I may not be around to end the day until later. If this happens…uh…just continue as normal.

1399

Unless paul completely lied to us, I don’t see how Angel can still be impure, so my vote will not be going her way toDay.

I’m going to vote Thing Fish. A re-read reminded me of something that got lost in the paul/meeko/special ed mess in Day Two: this post.

This was posted just before end of the Day. As I said at the time, this reads like scum gloating to me. Thing Fish being so certain that Spurious was going to turn up Town is another point against him, because scum will have a much better idea who is Town. Furthermore, it’s been my experience that scum tend to assume that anybody not aligned with them is Town, even if they know that there are third party roles in the game. This was a big factor in third parties winning Apocalypse and especially Gastard.

Also, there’s this:

This is just a smudge of Freudian Peeker. Yeah, he gives post numbers, but offers practically nothing to explain why these posts are suspicions. The one comment he does offer is such a ridiculous misreading of post 747 that I can only conclude that it’s deliberate:

I mean, are you kidding me? Freudian clearly means “town” when she says “us”.

1400

Point made, but the case against New Paul is good too.

:confused:

I mean, At a certain point in time, you have to vote someone, and you are always wrong.

Then, you have to back a bandwagon, because it is the only indication of who is going to bite it.

Rock and a hard place.

We do enough work to convince the world that 3 people are scum, but at the end of the day, heh, we can still just vote one.