The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)

Comments on Thing Fish:
1: He seems to post in bursts, with many posts in a row or long posts, with sizable gaps in between. This is probably why I wasn’t getting much of a read on him.

2: He’s been very active in looking for Scum. Unfortunately his aim doesn’t seem to be good: All of the people we now know (or strongly suspect: See the masons) to have been Town, he’s been highly suspicious of at one point or another. On the other hand, he seems to have had good reasons for all of them.

3: The only things I can see that really look suspicious to me are some apparent wavering on the Ostracize/Execute question early on, and his recent attack on Freudian in 1349 (which he’s since backed off some on).

Overall, his play looks fairly Town-motivated to me. Even if he’s Scum trying to build up credibility (which can’t, of course, be ruled out), the net effect is still that he’s bringing good points to the table, which benefits Town.

OK, Let’s do Freudian Slit. I think I made note of all her substantive posts, but I don’t have time to double-check.

Day One

Post 215, she calls the George lynching “bizarre” (no argument there) and votes for Chronos for “being weird for stirring the pot too soon”, a vote neither changed nor further explained during the remainder of the Day.

In 218, she says that Chronos was voting “blindly” for Spurious G (actually, it seemed to me that Chronos had by far the best-reasoned argument of the **Spurious **voters). She also comes out strongly against Execution. Thus supporting the main argument for the **Spurious **bandwagon (execution is baaad!) while at the same time distancing herself from it and casting a safe one-off vote.

In 257, she says that she doesn’t think editing is anti-Town.

263, more on editing.

That’s basically it for Day One, she asks some rules questions, etc.

My Post 501 from Night One, noting that all of the above seemed weird.

I’m just going to quote post 670 in its entirety:
[**I]Sorry I’ve been off and on thus far–it’s hard to keep up with games, esp. in the beginning.

To those who were saying my posts were mostly drive by and not substantive, deal. That was my style in the last game and even though it got me killed, I was Town in the last game too.

So far I don’t have any suspects because at this point, percentages say we pretty much will just lynch Town. And I don’t think this is the type of game where just lynching or ostracizing or whatnot for the sake of doing so will get us anywhere. ***

Well, yeah, if lynching won’t do anything for us, that would be a good reason to not think too hard about who to lynch, wouldn’t it?:rolleyes:

Or as** paul Mark I** said in post 672 **"*So basically what you’re saying is… not being helpful at all is how you play town?

I’ve always been kinda skeptical of people who say “I posted this way last game, and I was town then… ergo I am town now as well” without being confronted about their post style meaning they are scummy. It kind of smells like someone making an effort to do something, and it going unnoticed… so they bring it up themselves. ***

Freudian replies in 676[**I]No. I’m just saying that at this point in the game, there is really very little to go on, is all. So far I’m skeptical of people who focus on one person with no evidence–so, I voted on Chronos last time and I’m focusing on you now. ***

“Skeptical of people who focus on one person?” peeker notwithstanding, that’s all we can vote for! And if she can’t come up with any evidence for someone being scum, how can she complain when someone gets lynched on flimsy evidence?

Then there’s the classic 681**,* “Are those votes to ostracize or to kill?”***

Chronos gently replied in 684[I**],"Um, didn’t you get the memo, Freudian? It was kind of hard to miss, a couple of pages ago. There’s no such thing as executing any more. "***
I mean, really, I’m not so big on the “skimming is a huge scumtell” thing, but
This is ridiculous!!!

Herein a brief exchange with **Special Ed **in which she ends up reduced to saying
“***So let’s just let this talk of “scum tells” go, okay?”[/**I]
690, 692, [B]699**, 700

708,still lamenting the lack of any possible way to tell who might be scum.

721, joining in the chorus asking **paul **what the hell he is up to.

(Brief non-FS interlude)
723, ** Rysto** votes for paul saying that his claimed powers seemed implausible. I actually don’t really agree with this, although clearly if paul’s PM was real, which it presumably was,** Paul** used his power very unwisely. I myself voted for paul because I didn’t believe his claim at all, given its timing and circumstances, and he didn’t say up front that he would agree to allow his claimed power to be tested.

But if you think he* might *be a real power role, shouldn’t you give him constructive criticism instead of lynching a Town power role just for playing badly?

The vote is now three for paul, none for anybody else.

Our old friend Freudian Slit jumps in three minutes later to vote for paul, too in 724 with the immortal words "Even if he is town, he’s a risky townie to have around."Nice to see she finally resolved that crushing indecision!

And that’s about it for meaningful participation from Freudian. In 997, she asked for a sub, but her vote remained in place until the end of the Day.

So, in two days she contributed to the lynching of Town in what I would describe as sneaky way, gently encouraging a bandwagon without actually riding it on Day One, then jumping onto a seemingly safe bandwagon on Day Two based on bogus, me-too, anti-Town reasoning, then vanishing (though obviously there were some real-life issues involved).

Speaking of real-life issues, I spent way too much time on that! But hopefully it will help us out. I will try to do a Day Three reread, but I think I know where my vote is likely going Tomorrow.

Are we just volunteering to do a Wall of Words, or did we come up with some kind of random assignment and I missed mine?

I don’t know if I have enough time to produce as much as you guys, but I’m willing to take someone if you want.

Did we get assigned people?

I think that’s the same argument from you and Rysto. Presumably, if Rysto doesn’t believe paul’s powers, it means that he thinks the claim is bogus.

And on a technical note, all of your links got mangled. It looks like you maybe had a quote mark on one side of your URLs, but not the other (I’ve gotten errors that look the same, that way).

Mahaloth, it looks like we’re just volunteering, at this point. I did Thing Fish because he wasn’t really sticking in my memory, and it was making me uneasy that there was someone in the game that I didn’t really think much about one way or the other. Go ahead and do one if you want, or set up a systematic assignment for them. But I think it’s probably better to have people volunteer for them than have them assigned, because there’s also information in whom a person chooses to do them on.

Yes, if I thought that paul was actually a Town power role, I wouldn’t have voted for him. But as I thought he made up his role-claim, I voted to lynch him.

I’ll review Inner Stickler right now, though I may not go post by post. I’ll try to analyze patterns or important comments.

Uh, I just picked Inner Stickler because he/she made very little impression on me so far. I feel like he/she has ridden through more or less unnoticed. Anyway, wait a bit.

Thank you for the review, Chronos. I think your assessment of my play was fair both as applied to this and to other games…including, unfortunately, the bit about the bad aim!:frowning:

I agree that Rysto’s version of the case against paul was not blatantly lazy and anti-Town, unlike Freudian’s. I mentioned it mainly to illustrate how quick Freudian was to jump on the bandwagon (three minutes) and to introduce a relatively sophisticated version of the argument that Freudian would then reduce to a parody.

All my links got messed up??:eek::(:smack: Sorry about that, I envy Chronos and ed their abililty to do this so comprehensively and flawlessly. But I think I made my major points with direct quotes in the post itself.

Inner Stickler joined the game 5/6, replacing GuyIncognito.

Inner Stickler was initially involved in discussion regarding sinners and how many sinfected townies there are. He/She stated that he/she believes there is most likely only one sinfected townie. In addition, he/she suggested the sinners do chat at Nighttime, assuming they make a “sinfection” at Night.

He then stated he is generally against lynch the lurker, unless there is some reason.

Questioned Paul about his “direct knowledge from Ped” regarding sinfections at Nighttime. He ultimately voted paulwhoisaghost.

He corrected me when I mistakenly said that we can only execute instead of ostracization. He was right…I misunderstood the rule change when Ped dropped the whole O/E thing.

Questioned paul when he said there are other ways to sinfect than IS knows. These two bickered a bit.

Defined a scum-tell as anything that is anti-town in nature.

Tried to demand that Meeko offer logical explanation for his votes(for Nanook, for example). The two had a bit of a debate over Meeko’s gameplay style. Meeko seemed to think it was scummy to be challgened, while IS thought it was scummy to vote as randomly as Meeko seemed to be.

**Apologized for not voting and claimed he thought he had more time than he did. **

Claimed to be sinfected(post on 5/13). Claims to have chosen to pray.

Voted Peekerpa.

I’ll do an overall in a bit.

Good analysis. I’m almost read to vote for peeker based on it.

But, on a technical issue, when you post a link, you’ve got to take out the original http:// before you add in the address via copy/paste. All of your links seem to be broken, though they can easily be resolved by removing the initial http://

Yes, I was wondering who would notice that…

:dubious:

On the subject of BillMC, incidentally:
I think at this point, that even if pede could find a replacement for him, it would NOT be to our advantage to have him replaced. Either he’s Town or he’s Scum. If he’s Town, then whoever replaced him would be at a huge disadvantage, since first, that player would have to wade through 29 pages to get caught up to speed, and second, all the rest of us would have a particularly hard time trusting that player, since we have so little to go on one way or the other. So if he’s Town, replacing him would give us only a minor benefit.

On the other hand, if he’s Scum, then we’d be replacing an inactive Scum player with an active one, which is bad enough as it is. But a Scum player would not be nearly as hindered by the huge history as a Town player would, since he could just listen to what his teammates tell him, and he’d actually be helped by not having a past record to be held accountable for.

I think that the best-case response for Town would be for pedescribe to mod-kill him for nonparticipation (since that way we’d at least get some information out of him), but that’s probably not fair, given that pede said up front that he would not be mod-killing for nonparticipation. That failing, I don’t think it really hurts us much to just ignore him entirely: He can’t do anything to hurt us if he’s not playing. If the game eventually gets to the point where there’s only a handful of players and nobody gets night-killed but Town still hasn’t been declared the winner, then we can kill him then.

Thanks for the advice, Ed!

So basically, Inner Stickler posts on a fairly “bursty” basis. He posts a few posts, then disappears. In fact, he went away for days at a time without posting.

His earliest posts were all general town strategy posts, regarding the sinners and whether or not we should lynch the lurkers. Pretty much all of us were posting like this in the beginning, so nothing too noteworthy there.

He debated paul and meeko about somethings, which is pretty normal. Nothing scummy or anti-town there.

He got sinfected and claims to be praying, though we have no way to know this.

Overall, I’d say that he seems like either a very minimally contributing town or a quiet scum who is trying to avoid attention. It’s hard, for me anyway, to find anything to point toward anti-town/scum behavior, but I also can’t find anything that has been particularly pro-town.

Anyway, feel free to respond, Inner Stickler. Correct me where I’m wrong and let me know what I have misunderstood.

I’d just like to say that the WoW of me was pretty good. Actually, it was really good. There’s just a few things I’d like to clarify:

It was pointed out that some of my votes seemed to lack reason behind them. Looking back at my posts, that is fair enough. I see now that my posting style this game has been a bit weird. Often I would outline a few suspicions before my voting post, so my voting post by itself looks unjustified. I will keep this in mind in the future.

Also, there were a few posts which seemed to indicated I am a Sinner. Well, I’m not, but obviously I’d say that. But if I were a Sinner, sacrificing Cap Pink to save paul was pretty stupid - after all, it seems that sinfection is not a guaranteed process, so sacrificing a sinner to save paul on the chance he would switch sides to the Sinners later would be foolish.

It’s not a “scum wouldn’t do that” sort of thing, but my voting/campaigning with the paul/Cap Pink situation really hurt the Sinners. I was either lucky Town (or Blackheart, I suppose), or stupid Sinner.

PS: I am not a lucky Blackheart.

I am vanilla townsperson. The angel changed her wincon to sinner’ s. I have removed the sin powerfully her seed, and changed it.

The post restriction continues

paul, you have a new post restriction. You have to post in Dead.

Spooky.

A ghost! Twice! He claims to be a ghost, too!
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

:smiley:

Uh paul, you’re dead again. You got lynched today.