Usually, as soon as a player is lynched or NK’ed they can receive access to the scumboard to read the scum players’ strategy.
I know, it’s really frustrating, Thing Fish. No one likes to collect votes at any time, but the votes from Meeko and peeker are particularly annoying because they contain no information. I have a few points to make.
- Meeko, tell us why you voted for me. It is very anti-town to vote for someone without any explanation. Why have you voted for me? I know that you know that we all know you are town, but if we didn’t know about you being a mason, I think that the behavior you are exhibiting is highly scummy.
Please stop using the fact that we believe you are Town to behave anti-town. Yes, you are 95% likely to be Town, but please don’t use that as justification to do whatever. It’s very reasonable to ask you to share your reasonings and thoughts for your decisions. In fact, your thoughts and reasonings for votes are highly valuable, as we will know your foundation is to genuinely find scum.
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I have nothing to say about peeker’s vote. He has never justified a vote for anyone and falt out said he is voting for me to watch the worm wriggle on the pavement or something like that.
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Rysto, I will at least admit that your vote contains some level of thought. I was already posting actively on Day One(or Night Zero or something like that) about the idea of lynching a person who is lurking. Because, usually, it is extremely difficult to build a case against someone so early, sometimes lynching a lurker like Captain Pinkies(my vote) is a reasonable choice. I had original placed a vote on Spurious George, but as I weighed my decision, I came to the realization that I really do want to use lynch the lurker on Day One, so I went ahead and changed my vote to Pinkies. The only thing I can say about is that I wish more people had joined me and we would have killed a Sinner on Day One. Besides, why did you have to go all the way back to Day One to find anything on me? Why didn’t you comment at that time? Did you decide to vote for me, then go back and try to dig up scraps of “evidence” to support it so that you would look like you are justified in your vote? It’s weak, at best.
Guys, I’m really torn about what to do. I don’t know why I’ve collected two out the three votes I’ve collected and the third vote comes out of a very weak argument. I’ve stated my reasoning for the peeker vote I made today and I can’t believe people don’t see how scummy he is playing. It is not OMGUS, either. He is just flinging votes around like crazy and has even gone a Day without having a final vote in(another scum tell).
Do we all agree, by the way, that we would like Meeko to give justification for his votes in the future? I mean, that seems pro-town to me.
pedescribe has done it for all of his past games. The forbidden thread is supposed to be spoiler-free so that’s why it’s not all that interesting. The main point of the forbidden thread is to allow people who aren’t playing to comment on the game. It’s pretty common for players to explain what they were doing after the game was over, if people ask.
And this is very lame. The same could theoretically be said about any attempt to find meaningful information from voting patterns.
I mean, obviously there’s a danger of taking things too far. If Chronos were saying “Hey, I’ve developed this infallible method for finding scum and we should all just stop thinking and follow it”, that would be suspicious. But I’m not reading him as saying anything like that. Hell, his own vote isn’t even on one of the people identified as most suspicious by his method.
I think Inner Stickler is being way too defensive about this for a player who hasn’t made many cases against anyone all game.
OH HELL YEAH.
P.S. I would also like a pony.
Yes, I will.
Is it Night now?
As the day progressed, the town focused its efforts on the unhelpful among them.
“Clearly, Bear_Nenno is evil! Why else would he sit and ignore our efforts to expunge the sin?” was the resounding cry of the town.
“No! Wait! I’ve been really busy, and no-one gives me a chance to talk anyway.” But his defense, while true, was not persuasive. He left with a dignified sneer, doubtful of the tiny village that was shrinking every day.
The Credible_Bear, an Ordinary Puritan, is dead.
It is Night 4. Due to airplanes and time zones, the night length will be extended to 1:00 Wedensday MDT.
Yeeesh.
What position does this put us townies in? I know we don’t know how many Sinners/Blackhearts we have or started with, but does anyone have a theory as to how our loss of yet another pure townie affects our win odds? How many more mislynches can we afford?
D*** it, why are all of the lurkers Townies this game? It kind of makes things a little harder for Town, if half of us aren’t playing.
Re-running my analysis with the knowledge that Bear_Nenno is Town:
Without the assumption that I am Town, there are 32 arrangements. Out of those, we have
Mahaloth 21
Chronos 21
paul3 16
Joey 7
Thing Fish 13
Rysto 13
AllWalker 16
peeker 0
Stickler 21
With the assumption that I am Town, we have only 11 arrangements:
Mahaloth 9
paul3 7
Joey 2
Thing Fish 5
Rysto 5
AllWalker 7
peeker 0
Stickler 9
Yes, I’m aware that this doesn’t look good for me, for anyone who doesn’t already know I’m Town, but it’d hardly be fair for me not to post it.
On another note, last page, AllWalker recommended that if we didn’t lynch a Blackheart this time, that we should mass-claim in the Morning. I think that’s a good idea (or at least, the least-bad idea we have), since we might be at LyLo right now (assuming 4 Blackhearts). Anyone else have any thoughts on that? If we do so, then Meeko should decide what order we’ll claim in, and give us a list sometime before Morning.
iPod ate my post.
I hold everyone who voted bear, suspect.
Can’t comment on mahaloth vote now. Glad he is still with us.
Will post more in depth. Sunday night (tonight)
Mass claim. At dawn, NOT tonight, after Tuesday noon.
Wednesday noon.
Right; no benefit to doing it before Dawn. But do note that pede changed the time for Dawn this week; it’s not until 1:00 Wednesday MDT (that’s 3:00 EDT). That’s PM, I presume?
And Meeko, since you’re confirmed Town, you should choose what order everyone should claim in. That way, the Scum can’t try to manipulate the order of claims to their advantage.
Indeed.
This is going to be interesting, anyway we play it.
At the very least, I am glad I have the extra day to think how to work this.
K, so how does a mass claim work? The last game I played in(Werewolf Split) did not ever get to the point of the mass claim. Basically, we got rather lucky on the last couple of days and lynched scum, rather quickly ending the game.
Anyway, I’m for it if everyone agrees it’s the best. What do we have to do?
And I agree, we should wait until Dawn and I’m cool with Meeko making the order list. While I agree he is 95% confirmed, we can’t know for sure. I haven’t gotten the sense that this game has a mason scum(does this kind of thing exist?), but how would I know?
And now to get at what I Wanted to say, and elaborate, the first time I tried, and my Ipod ate it.
This is long, but it is EXACTLY where I am right now in this game.
I noticed earlier that someone else correctly quoted the post I referred to that had Bear soft-claiming.
- Bear was Town
- Bear by his own admission, was not as active as he could have been in the game.
- Bear gave us very little.
Yet, he got 4 votes all the same.
On the pure math of the posts, I’m not sure how anyone could have deduced what everyone deduced here.
I am willing to bet, that at LEAST one in the four are scum.
Also, I am glad to see that other people agree, at least in principle, to what I have been saying, Town had a LOT of players sit out.
**Play the game, or don’t sign up. **
Frankly, all the issues you all have against me, would be null and void, if we all played MORE and not less.
If time is never your own in this game, having freedom of play is not your own either.
The key issues I had with Mafia, back when I first found out about the game (Not when I started playing) was indeed how nailed down you were to certain aspects. Not the least among them, timing.
Now I know, it is not just timing, but having options taken from you. And once they are taken from you, you can NEVER get them back. [In haggle, for comparison, you can blow an option to smithereens, and then come back near immediately, and play that same option, for better than original value.]
I fear timing may have gotten the better of me here. I was under the false assumption that I had more time to try something. I fear that my variables, that lead to, and lead away from my vote choice, have indeed been compounded. I can not, as of yet, confirm this.
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It would seem that I have a tall order ahead of me tomorrow.**
Not only do I have to explain my vote over Mahaloth. [Given that it is night, I must remain silent on a few things, a tad big longer.] An explanation is coming, and I hope I can give it to everyone.
I also have to work how we are all going to mass claim. Given that this task falls on me, the only confirmed Townie, I can understand at once that it has to be played with care. Each iteration will have advantages, and disadvantages.
There is so much, so much, that I want to say. I have kept this window open for some time, debating what to say. In the end, I know that anything else I say, will tip my hand too much.
On the eve of this mass claim, it would seem we have definately changed gears here.
The general idea is that everyone says what they are. This can be done in sporadic order, just whoever happens to post first, or it can be done in a randomly-determined order (there are ways to do this without a confirmed Townie, but it’s a hassle), or it can be done in an order decided by a confirmed Townie. Of these, given that we have a confirmed Townie, I think the last is the best.
So anyway, once we’ve decided on an order, everyone, one at a time, says exactly what their role is (even if it’s just vanilla). The drawback of this is that it lets the Scum know exactly who their priority targets are, which makes it something of a desperation tactic. The benefit is that, if a Scum lies and claims to have a role that somebody else actually has, the person who really has that role can counter-claim and we know we have a liar, or if only one person claims to have a role that we know exists, then we know that person’s Town-- Either way, we gain some hard information that lets us narrow down the list of suspects.
Why wouldn’t the scum all claim to be VT?