The death penalty for child rape!

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well wring I appologise for my misinterpreted generalization of guards across the nation. I meant specifically guards who are employed by the Louisiana DOC. Since I think you missed the part about my working with the LADOC for the past 8 years let me further illuminate this point.

Unlike you who it seems has just a passing interest in this subject, I meet with EVERY employee of the LADOC at least once a year some like the wardens, colonels, majors, captains and lieutenants on more occasions. When someone dies I get the call. When someone gets injured I get the call. When someone has a new baby I find out and make the call. When someone wants to increase their retirement contribution I get the call. I conduct group meetings with all the guards and then meet with each of them on a one to one basis.

After doing this for 8 years I have developed some great relationships with many of them. I have also seen the revolving door of new hires walk in and walk out within their first year. These people place their trust in me and I do everything I can to make sure it is well kept. I know these people, their spouses, their children and even their parents and siblings because its my job to know this. They get birthday cards from me as well as each member of their family and anniversary cards every year.

I know their working conditions because I work the same schedule as they do when I’m on site except I wind up working sometimes for more than 24 hours strait. When I’m on site I’m in the general population of prisoners. I have seen every square inch of every cell block, looked down from every guard tower and covered almost every square acre of farmland under DOC’s control.

You ask for proof wring come spend a week at angola with me and you will have your proof. Better yet I’ll be at Wade Correctional center for 3 days next week and I’ll take a printout of the comments here and see what guards think of your remarks and get back with you on that. Would that provide enough proof? Anyone can point to a study and cite this or that source but it doesn’t prove anything either.

wring I saw the other thread as well and chalk it up to prison justice. It happens and nothing anyone can do will ever stop it from happening again. I don’t know what you do for a living but I’m guessing you don’t interact with the same amount of people I do on any given day. Now I know you will come up with another witty remark on this so go ahead…shoot.

BTW to all the others here my appology for getting slightly off the OP but wring wants me to illuminate this issue for him.

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her.

You keep on re-stating the same things. You have offered no proof of anything. We are to take your statements as proof 'cause you ‘know’ this to be true IRL, except, no one can check that.

You’re new here. Lurk a bit, see how to demonstrate proof.

By the way you think I have a ‘passing interest’ in this subject??

My, that is funny.

You don’t know me at all, and yet you seem to think you’re qualified to offer up that assesment. and you don’t bother commenting on the data I’ve cited, just repeat your own refrain of 'you know ‘cause you know’.

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The claims I’d like to see proof of, in the way of cites, is:

  1. That the death penalty will do anything in the way of reducing the overall rate of crime we are speaking of, as opposed to life imprisonment without parole.

  2. That the death penalty would “bring closure” to a significant percentage of the victims as opposed to imprisonment.

  3. Recidivism rates. I’ve been lead to believe that the recidivism rate on pedophiles is abyssmally high, and it certainly wouldn’t surprise me to find out that this was the case. But I’d like some cites.

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SunTzu, I believe someone here once said “That doesn’t even make stupid sense.”

So your most substantive argument was “at least 30% of offenders offend again! So, let’s take it out on those child molesterers!” I missed the line that states Crime in General = Sex offenses.

So, do you believe in the death penalty for thieves, after all with no better statistics, 30% of them would offend again! I have never been robbed nor fondled by an acquaintance, but I would think that certain classes of robbery (gun point robbery, home burglary,) would scar me more than certain classes of molestation (fondling for a second or so, and they stop when you ask them to.) So, do you think we should put these dangers to society into Mr. Sparky? Huh, DO YOU?

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A respectable citation of a study carries more weight than a testimonial.

Personal experiences (testimonials) may be subject to biases. For example, memories of a handfull of unremorsefull monsters may stand out prominently in the mind of a prison guard, whereas the reformable bad guys that don’t misbehave aren’t remembered as well.

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Poor girl.
I hope she has time to reach some sort of closure with her father before they execute him.

I don’t think the execution itself will be closure. Anyone who has lost someone close to them will know that death does not bring closure to a relationship, it often leaves things open and unanswered, and those behind feeling guilty and frustrated.

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All I suggested was marking such predatory offenders, if they are released- allowing society to ostracize them, & giving the victims
or next of kin a free pass to kill them if they wish.

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Some data on repeat offenders in regard of rapists is available in this thread:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198549

The data is from Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice.

Quoting myself:

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As to your #1, I’ve been following the DP debate a long time, especially the news flashes from this site. There are a lot of studies available on this subject, I would say that about 50% of such studies claims there is no impact to speak of, about 40% claims violent crimes/murders slightly increases, while about 10% claims violent crimes/murders slightly decreases with the use of the death penalty. The studies are using different criteria, so it’s really hard to pick just one and say: this is the answer.

As to your #2, I have never heard of any decent study on this subject. As to your #3, follow my link in my post above, maybe you can find some data in the cite.

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Well Ludovic I think you missed the point of the entire thread here. We are not discussing thieves, we were discussing child molesters and rapist. And for your information I have been a victim of home burgulry on 3 occasions and two attempted but foiled burgularies. The last one they stole all my tax and financial records and then hijacked my identity with them.

A home invasion does leave scars because I can speak about it first hand. When my daughter could not sleep in her room because she was afraid the burgulars would come back was too much for us. We sold the house and have moved to a much nicer neighborhood where everyone keeps an eye out for each other.

Its been over 4 years now since that event and I think we have gotten past it now. The culprits are serving 10 to 20 hard labor and I get to visit them twice a year when I’m at their prison. The major lets me meet them and tell them how I feel as they go out to work clearing underbrush.

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I have never been robbed nor fondled by an acquaintance, but I would think that certain classes of robbery (gun point robbery, home burglary,) would scar me more than certain classes of molestation (fondling for a second or so, and they stop when you ask them to.)

So how does this make you an expert on the topic?

If you haven’t experienced any of this then shut up! I’ve been held up at gun point, been mugged, foiled 2 home burgularies. In the first one I beat the ever living daylights out of a would be burgular and my dog the other when he bounced off our electric fence (I don’t think he got the better deal there). The second one the idot was trying to pull the airconditioner out of the window while me and four friends were playing cards. We beat the everliving S&^% out of him and when the police arrived they found us standing on him. They also asked if we wanted a parting shot but the poor bastard was already too messed up.

I’ve also stood down an 1:00am armed carjacking by brandishing my pistol and getting the drop on the excrement. I’ve had to deal with theft, murder, rape and the like. So for someone who expouses being a freakin expert on this subject without actually experiencing anything I find that a wee bit thin sir.

And for violence, I’ve been shot twice stabbed twice and had several other untasteful injuries so don’t tell me about what you think a person may feel when you haven’t had the misfortune of experiencing it yourself.

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I’ve never jumped off a cliff, either, but I think I know what would happen if I did.

I noticed you didn’t answer my question as to what you think the appropriate punishment is for theives. Coward.

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Weak Ludovic weak…

We were not discussing the penalties for theft and my opinion, as it has been pointed out, doesn’t matter so what’s the point in answering.

If we adopted the laws of some of our middle-eastern friends then there would be alot of people missing hands how does that sound? It’d be tough for them to committ repeat offences.

I know in louisiana if you find someone in your home in the midst of a theft then you have all rights to use deadly force. The problem I have personally had was out of the 5 times I have dealt with this 2 times the burgulars got away clean. The other times they went to prison. I made a point to remember their faces and names just incase they get any ideas for future retribution.

Ludovic you should try jumping its exhiliatating. Just be prepared for the sudden stop unless you are on snowskis or something like.

Its easy to anonymously call someone a coward here I’ve found. Try doing it real life some time for a change. I’m banking you haven’t done that either though.

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I’m sorry, but I have to make a slight hijack, since it seems to be getting kinda deep.

Just a few comments to alot of posts.

SunTzu2U wrote:

I have a daughter and got a notice that a child molester had just moved into my neighborhood… I then made it perfectly clear that if I found him on my property or speaking to my daughter the coroner would be carrying his body off in a bag. Etc, etc.

This animal attacked and raped two women within two houses of mine…… What I found was a man with a screwdriver prying out the lock on my door. I undid the lock kicked the guy in the chest and sent him down a short flight of stairs. After that I put three 9mm rounds into the ground at his crotch and sent him running. I put 3 more rounds into the ground right behind him as he ran out of my back yard. ……Its too bad I didn’t get the guy because he raped 4 other women before he was caught.

I have been a victim of home burglary on 3 occasions and two attempted but foiled burglaries. The last one they stole all my tax and financial records and then hijacked my identity with them.

I’ve been held up at gun point, been mugged, foiled 2 home burglaries. In the first one I beat the ever living daylights out of a would be burglar and my dog the other when he bounced off our electric fence (I don’t think he got the better deal there). The second one the idiot was trying to pull the air conditioner out of the window while me and four friends were playing cards. We beat the ever living S&^% out of him and when the police arrived they found us standing on him. They also asked if we wanted a parting shot but the poor bastard was already too messed up.

I’ve also stood down an 1:00am armed carjacking by brandishing my pistol and getting the drop on the excrement.

I’ve had to deal with theft, murder, rape and the like.

And for violence, I’ve been shot twice stabbed twice and had several other untasteful injuries.

My god, you have personal experience with every single crime. You need to move.

SunTzu2U wrote:

Like I said in my earlier post, I work with a great many law enforcement professionals so I hear and learn a lot from them

If you have read my posts you would realize I have been working 8 years with many people in the law enforcement occupation. I also work with every state agency in Louisiana including the Dept. of health and hospitals, child welfare, office of family support, office of community services and the state mental health department.

My thousands of clients include child psychologists, parole officers, police officers, social workers, doctors, nurses, judges, prosecutors and any other profession that you can pretty much think of related to the state’s payroll.

Unlike you who it seems has just a passing interest in this subject, I meet with EVERY employee of the LADOC at least once a year some like the wardens, colonels, majors, captains and lieutenants on more occasions. When someone dies I get the call. When someone gets injured I get the call. When someone has a new baby I find out and make the call. When someone wants to increase their retirement contribution I get the call. I conduct group meetings with all the guards and then meet with each of them on a one to one basis.

I have seen every square inch of every cell block, looked down from every guard tower and covered almost every square acre of farmland under DOC’s control.

You must be the most important person in the DOC. What exactly is your job?

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On reproducing. Firstly, to avoid the risk of the rapist abusing their own child.

Secondly, to avoid them passing on their behaviour - whether by nature (genes) or nurture (ie lack of) - to their offspring. Granted, not all abused children become abusers. But there is a higher incidence. So best to sterilise to try and avoid that.

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To whom did you make it perfectly clear and why were you not arrested for communicating a threat?

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I DID MOVE GUY! I’ve moved from a middle income transitional neighborhood to a much nicer and SAFER neighborhood AND I’m not moving again! Luckily I haven’t had to deal with anything like that for almost 4 years now.

I’m not in the DOC, I provide Life, Disability, Dental, Long-Term Care and Health insurance for them. I also am a financial planner working in corporate employee benefits, retirement and estate planning. You get to be well known and appreciated when you can tell a widow or orphan that although they lost someone very important in their life, the person loved them so much that they wanted them to not suffer financially.

I have had to pay several death claims on my clients in the past 2 years and believe me their families were happy to know I had met with their dearly departed and got them to do the necessary planning. I only wish I had gotten into this profession about 10 years before I did.

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Ah, I see you have no idea as to what you’re talking about, istara. I asked you what effect castration would have on preventing a rapist from committing another rape and you respond with what can only be described as a fucking asinine comment.

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Monty,

Who would the authorities believe? A convicted child molester or someone who doesn’t have a record?

I did not make a threat monty I made a simple promise. I promised him that HIS actions would dictate HIS fate.

A threat OTOH would be saying that something is going to happen regardless of any future actions.

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No you didn’t. Read your post. I posted about sterilisation, and you asked me about sterilisation.

You asked me what impact sterilisation would have on rape. I said it would have an impact on reproduction.

Castration is an entirely separate issue. Obviously, a man made impotent either by physical or chemical means cannot rape a child with his own penis. But studies have shown that some chemically castrated abusers go on to harm children in other ways, ie with objects. Likewise, as I understand it, an (adult) rapist who “can’t get it up” might beat up or harm his victim instead. So castration is not necessarily a cure.

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That’s still a threat, SunTzu. But feel free to put it to the test. Don’t cry to me after the conviction, though.