Then perhaps you can manage to frame his position for how absurd you find it, and not assign him a position he specifically disavowed, okay?
Yes, this is the dishonesty I was referencing. You’re quite right, it will come up again and again.
The Democrats have lost with Obama already. He only appeals to the blacks and the Ultra liberals. This is the same groups that gave the nomination to Mondale, Kerry, McGovern and Dukakis. Clinton only won because he was a bit more conservative and Carter had the religious backing of the south. In exit poll after exit poll, take away blacks and Obama loses. Take away ultra liberals and he loses worse.
The Democrats cannot win in November unless they can win in the south. I don’t believe Hillary or Obama can do this. Perhaps Hillary can win Arkansas which gives her an edge. Otherwise it’s a complete sweep of the south and west for McCain. And thus the Democrats cannot win.
Worse for Obama is the fact that once he runs and loses he’ll be washed up. He can’t run again for the nomination once he’s lost the general election. That’s the reason Edwards was so unpopular. He was a loser from 04.
Obama is young he’d be much better off LOSING to Hillary this time, then having Hillary lose the election in November and then running again in 2012.
Of course if the economy goes REALLY bad then the Democrats have a chance with any candidate Hillary or Obama.
But as the original poster said, Obama should win and any less than that we won’t support the Democrat. At least on the talk radio and pages I read.
Democrats sure screwed themselves this time, it’s gonna be Mondale or McGovern again.
Have you, like, followed the primaries at all, like, in the newspapers or anything?
And I thought I was a pessimist…
A couple of butterflies in your grim ointment. Americans are, to a large extent, pissed. They don’t like where they’ve been, don’t like where they are and the horizon is curdling into shitstorms. There is a broad consensus as to whom to blame. You may have heard.
McCain needs the Bushivik loyalists, that granite minded 30% who are immutable. To get them, he must repudiate everything he ever said about the Bush agenda, most especially those things which got him the reputation as a “straight shooting maverick”. He’s well on his way to rebuilding himself according to specifications.
But in the process, he’s eroding the image of honesty and candor that he formerly deserved. I view the seduction of John McCain with the same sombre dismay I viewed Colin Powell’s descent, 'tis a pity he’s a whore.
His image is still effective, but its moth-eaten, here and there. And the questions will be asked, Hugh Betcha. Maybe the Dems convention will pass out those rubber bathing slippers so the cameras can watch a recitation of McCain reversals and the gleeful chorus of “Flip! Flop! Flip! Flop!..”
And of course there’s that other nasty issue: hold up pictures of the candidates and ask “Of the two of these, which is more likely to send your kids away to get shot at?”
With a jaunty soundtrack supplied by America’s Rock Band, the Beach Boys!
(Aside: is it just me or does America seem to have a fiixation on Presidential candidates who are downed fighter pilots (McCain, Bush pere) and skippers of small naval warcraft (JFK and, uh, JFK)
Like DSeid, I’m curious as to what circumstances McCain’s said he would withdraw our troops from Iraq. If we’re reading him wrong, surely you can produce words to that effect.
But putting McCain’s words together sure makes it look like he wants to stay if we haven’t yet brought about peace in Iraq, and he wants to stay if we do.
He is appealing to Independents and even left leaning Republicans. Obama is a centrist, centrist, centrist, even his economic adviser is a centrist. The voters will choose between a centrist and a centrist, but McCain is considered too centrist for the heart and soul Republicans whereas Democrats are just happy to move slightly to the left, small battles win the war. McCain will lose on the Iraq issue alone, but it doesn’t look like he will even win over the religious conservatives in the South; they voted for the Huckster. The southern religious Republicans might vote for a third party over McCain.
No, I believe the blue team is heading for Pennsylvania Ave.
I’m not black, and not ultraliberal. In fact, I voted for George W. Bush twice.
And Obama appeals to me. Not on policy grounds, I admit – but for the simple fact that he’s not an entrenched liar and “go along to get along” politician. I am thinking, though I haven’t decided fully yet, that the nation’s gain in that area would more than make up for the (IMHO) loss in his policy decisions.
How very odd. I really thought that a tear in the fabric of the space-time continuum would make some sort of noise.
Calm down. I didn’t say I was joining his campaign staff. I’m not even committing to vote for the man. I just said he appeals to me.
Come to the dark side, Rick, we have cookies. Mwuuuuaahahahahaha!
Seriously, if Barack Obama can join hand-in-hand with Tom Coburn, one of the most religious right-wing Republicans, to draft joint legislation, The Coburn-Obama Bill (which lead to the creation of http://usaspending.gov/, by the way), then Obama can’t be all that bad. 
Cookies and hot hippie chicks. Come on, Bricker. Just a couple of puffs, to show us you’re cool. You want to be cool doncha?
Mmmm, maybe he shouldn’t start right in with the cookies. Or the brownies. Just a thought.
Well, that suit is going to have to go. Way too square. Someone needs to get him some cutoffs and sandals.
As for the OP (remember that?), the likely answer IMHO is that HRC (if she wins) will tap OB for VP, and he will accept. That team, again IMHO, will win. That said, I hope OB will win the nomination, and I have great confidence he will win in November. (I would be content with HRC as his VP, but don’t think she would accept.) All this from the perspective that I disagree with both HRC and OB on many points. Perversely, perhaps, that’s why I think they’ll win. Where the rubber meets the road is what happens in '12. Frankly, dunno.
Keep in mind that all of these huge voter turnouts in Democrat primaries are not people excited to vote for the Democratic party. They’re people excited to vote for Barack Obama, personally. His support is wide AND deep, and that personal support doesn’t necessarily translate into support for Democrats in general.
I’m actually a little annoyed that people accuse Obama’s fans of providing him shallow support, just because it’s not likely those people would support a different Democrat if he lost. If the Democrats nominate Hillary, I’ll actively campaign for McCain for no other reason than to do my part to make sure the Democrats know that we just won’t tolerate lousy candidates from them anymore.
Can I get a cite for that? I’m pretty certain that Obama is responsible for some of the increase in turnout, but the record numbers are so high that I don’t buy pinning it all (or even most) on him.
I don’t have an exact cite, but look at his rally’s and then look at Clinton’s. Stark difference, Clinton can pack a High School Gym [sometimes] but Obama packs a Stadium. A stadium…He fills to capacity every venue he books, Clinton on the other hand is canceling events… Sorry I don’t have a cite.
There is no question that Obama is exciting people and increasing turnout, but some of the states have had such far greater numbers than recent years that Obama would have had to win 90-10 for that to be the sole explanation.
There are a large number of people coming to bat for both candidates. Clinton is getting a lot of support from the older demographic who sat out before, or simply they are coming out in larger numbers now. Obama is getting masses of folks who have never voted, and is etching away at the establishment voters who are also coming out for him…and to some extent jumping ship from Hillary’s camp to his. He has a slight lead but this race is still very much neck and neck. That being said, the party is deeply divided and this thing will most likely go all the way to the convention. HOwever, I have a sneeking suspiscion Gore is going to mediate a deal and the lever will pull for Obama…just a hunch.
Indeed, which is why I requested a cite from Mosier for his claim. There are multiple reasons for this huge turnout, one of which is Obama.