The ethics of making art with a message you disagree with

Sometimes people write books, or make movies, or video games, or paintings, or any number of things with a message. Sometimes due to poor execution this message is misinterpreted (or interpreted as written – which is poorly). This isn’t about that, this is about intentionally writing a work with a message you disagree with. Not to lampoon it, or point out its flaws as satire does, but an attempt to earnestly argue for the other side. Call it Devil’s Advocate by Art if you will. Another way this could happen is if the artist recognizes that a subplot sends a bad message, but decides to throw it under the bus for the more central, important message. Or maybe they recognize the bad Aesop, but decide that the actual story (or camerawork, or color choice, or whatever) is more important to them than what people take home from it.

Basically, the artist recognizes that their work says something terrible, or that they don’t agree with, but they make a conscious decision to not change it before releasing it.

Is this ethical? I’ll grant it’s probably dumb, if I write a book that argues that black people are lazy layabouts, no matter how much I say “well, that’s not the point, and I don’t actually think that” or even “I just wanted to get in the heads or racists, I know it’s wrong, but I was trying to develop my own arguments against them and thought getting in their head was important” it’s going to come off as a hackneyed attempt to avoid backlash, not an earnest admission of flaws. Of course, one could argue that this isn’t really rational, but rather simply because artists don’t frequently create impersonal works designed to argue someone else’s point of view without including their own rebuttal.

As for ethics, I’m not sure. On one hand, I think that throwing one message under a bus in service of another is okay – like if I realize that I kind of vaguely implied that women are weak when discussion the importance of education and the bad undercurrent is so subtly woven into the narrative that it’s nigh impossible to change without just scrapping the work altogether. I don’t see anything wrong in that case with saying “yeah, it was bad, and I don’t really think that, but I thought the main message was more important than writing out some vague message most people will probably disagree with anyway.”

As for the other ones, I can’t really decide. Again, it’s probably a bad idea, but it also feels somehow irresponsible to knowingly write a book that might become a cherished work for the very groups you despise. I can’t really articulate why that is though, maybe that’s a sign I’m wrong.

Of course, this all assumes the work is written properly. In the case of the “Devil’s Advocate” style there’s a real risk of writing a book that’s nothing more than arguing the points of a strawman. In which case I think that no matter what the intent it’s irresponsible to release a book trying to get in the heads of people with a viewpoint that doesn’t even really exist. (I mean, unless the person is a genius and is using the strawman arguments to make some sort of (likely satirical) point, but that doesn’t really fit under the category we’re discussing here).

I didn’t understand this at first, but I think now maybe I do: Suppose I realized I could actually make quite a bit of money by writing pulp sci-fi novels earnestly centered around “heroic” racist characters, marketed directly to National Front kinds of groups. Is that the idea?

So, Stephen Colbert but with art? :dubious:

No, that falls under “satire”, where he’s pointing out the flaws in positions by deliberately portraying his character as an idiot. It’s more like if Stephen Colbert tried his damnedest to earnestly be a conservative on the air.

Yeah, kind of. I’m not sure I’d go as far as saying you’d actively market your racist work to the KKK or Nazis or National Front or whatever, but that’s the general idea.

Well, it would seem a horrible idea, since the ethics and morals of your story are going to be ascribed to you in at least some small respect.

“Oh, that Jdragon hates women. He implies that they’re weak.”

Right, I admitted it’s dumb. I’m just not sure whether or not it’s ethical.

I think maybe it is ethical, even perhaps a good idea if I may be so bold, to play devil’s advocate with your art if you are an artist of whatever stripe. Maybe not putting it out into a public forum would a good idea and just keep it to yourself. But I do think a body should challenge themselves to leave the comfort zone of their own beliefs and explore that of others, up to and including the beliefs of those you disagree with. Not to do so would make you almost as closeminded those whose message you abhor.

I would argue, then, that what you are creating isn’t art. Art must be released to the public to be art. And if you were to release any of that to the public, then, yes, I would say it is unethical. Not because you don’t support it, but because it’s a form of lying. Even with fiction, the message of a work is assumed to be nonfictional.

It’s extremely difficult to write fiction that you don’t believe in. You can write a racist character if you’re not racist, but it’s very difficult to make him a centerpiece of the work (unless it’s satire, or the person is the villain).

This doesn’t preclude unconscious themes, of course; someone in the past may have portrayed an all-white society (except for black menials) simply because that was what they were used to.

But the character is always colored by an author’s beliefs, and if the author doesn’t believe in the character, the book will fail.

I see nothing unethical in it, as such, though the OP chose particularly button-pushing examples. I agree that it’s probably a bad idea, generally speaking, because you would almost certainly end up either doing it badly or advancing a position you’re opposed to, neither of which are to your benefit.

On the other hand, it could be a valuable exercise in some cases, and not only to the artist. People on opposing sides of an issue often have difficulty resolving it because they don’t really understand the opposing viewpoint; they talk past each other. An artist with insight into the opposition’s point of view could create a work based on that view, framing it in a way that might provide new insight to those on his own side. This new perspective could suggest different approaches, or even just a different tone, in talking to the opposition, opening a way forward.

Since when? :dubious:

If I understand the OP correctly, he’s saying we can only interpret art by knowing the character/background/motivations of the artist. Which sounds great, but it also implies that art can’t stand on it’s own. And that road leads to the worst type of graduate students’ half-assed deconstructions of whatever book they didn’t like in high school.

When I read the title, I thought of actress Dixie Carter & her role of Julia Sugarbaker, straightforward voice of acerbic common-sense moderate liberalism on DESIGNING WOMEN, and her assertion in interviews that she was much more conservative politically than her character, so occasionally the producers (the Thomson-Bloodworths? - a liberal politcially-active married couple who would friends of the Clintons & had a friendly relationship with Rush Limbaugh) would let her sing on the show.

This isn’t related to Jim Carrey making “Kick-Ass 2” and then saying that he can’t support violent films, is it?

:confused:

To take just a couple of examples, I’m hard-pressed to think that the writers of the X-Files really believe that the US government is conspiring to conceal the presence of hostile aliens on this planet. Or that the writers of Final Destination actually believe that an elemental Death stalks people who have somehow manged to elude it once. Or to take it more down to earth, I’d be surprised if the writers of 24 actually believe that torture is useful to intelligence-gathering.

Nah, not saying that at all. For instance, if an author intended a message and then analyzed their own work under a feminist lens and realized you could take it as saying some terrible things, but kept it in because they couldn’t find a way to rewrite it and preserve the intended message, then I’d count it.

Nope.

(Sorry, can’t multiquote on my phone)

Authors can obviously write things they don’t think are literally true, I think the point is that it’s extremely difficult to write something good if its underlying themes and messages conflict with their beliefs.

Much of it would depend on the underlying circumstances. Why is this black person lazy? Why is this woman weak?

For example, a lot of people criticize Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice for portraying women as frivolous. The “evidence” is the only acknowledgement that England is in a war is the stopover by healthy and carefree soldiers, and the portrayal of the women’s education at the time (which involved sewing, fine arts, music and dance lessons more than academic subjects.) If Austen were making an argument about how women were intellectually inferior to men, it was not because they were biologically inferior but because, in most cases, women did not have the same opportunities as men to learn science, politics, or other “more important” subjects.

Also having characters believing something is not the same thing as the author believing in it. There have been objections to the anti-foreigner sentiments in Agatha Christie’s books, but those were put in more for accurate portrayals of the mindset of small town England during the world wars era, and it is usually the characters that are less admirable (mean-spirited, gossipy, etc) that voice those opinions.

Thomas Mann is quoted in In the Garden of Beasts as saying the following, which seems relevant since he was referring to the difficulty writing what you wanted versus kowtowing to Nazi beliefs to stay safe:

This is in a section of the book that includes Hans Fallada, a writer who decided to stay in Nazi Germany rather than flee like Mann did. Fallada tried to straddle the line of staying true to what he wanted to write while also playing it safe with the Nazis. His Wikipedia page has a bit on the topic, though not a ton.

By the way, I’m about 2/3 through In the Garden of Beasts by Erik Larson and it is quite good.