Ok, johnny, here we go:
First things first:
“Look Nacho, if you’re going to jump in and revive a debate when it’s almost done and died out, then you have a responsibility to go back and read all of the posts and synthesize all of the arguments before you start spouting off.”
I will jump in a revive anything I please. It IS a public message board, and I can recall no rules about not joining in posts after they are a certain length. As far as I can see, nothing was decided. And I read the whole thing. I chose not to quote other posts because I wanted to make my own point. And spouting off is exactly what I do and will continue to do as long as people make ridiculous points and outlandish comments about fat people eating ho-hos.
“Finally, these are the Great Debat(e)s after all. If you cannot take criticism of your posts without interpretting it as a personal attack, then I would recommend that you either make better arguments or refrain from posting.”
Is this a warning? Because at no point did I feel anything was a personal attack toward me. I felt as though you were being rude and offensive toward anyone who has ever had a weight problem. If you are warning me because I am a newbie, rest assured, your trivial comments have no effect on me. I will continue to post as I please and I do not care if people criticize me. Whatever. And as for making better arguements, perhaps you should take your own advice.
Finally, I know they are Great Debates. I have been reading them without posting for months. But thank you for insulting my intelligence anyway, as it seems to be a sign of your own lacking in that department.
“What he got in return was an attempt to turn the thread into a self-help group full of people’s excuses and justifications for being fat, contrary to whatever the OP might have been asking.”
Weight is a sensitive issue. If you say fat people are fat because they are lazy cows, then they are going to give you reasons to indicate otherwise. That’s just common sense.
“But normal, healthy weights are much closer to to those of these actresses and singers than are some of the sizes that many people were volunteering elsewhere in this thread (5’3 220lbs?!?!?).”
PERSONAL ATTACK. As I said before, the person who weighs this amount knows it is excessive. That little reminder did not help anything. It was rude and cruel.
“It is not that hard to get out of bed in the morning and go exercise. It is not that hard to drink water instead of soda. It is not that hard to have a veggie sandwich at lunch instead of a hanburger. It is not that hard to eat raw vegetables as a snack instead of potato chips. No one is forcing anyone to do any of this and when people fall off of the wagon and start partaking in those habits that lead to weight gain, then it’s solely their own fault if their weight increases. A crisis in one’s personal life does not require a Big Mac for dinner.”
Yes it is and sometimes it does. You obviously have no concept of how hard it is to be overweight. I lost 60 lbs and I still want a ho ho now and then instead of veggies. I see you’ve decided to put your own expectations on everyone. Too bad they are impossible to fulfill.
“As this thread evolved, the general logic drifted away from the OP and became “I am fat, I have no control over it due to x/y/z, therefore it is unfair for anyone to point out that I am overweight.””
It is unfair because you are not contributing anything useful to that person’s lif - you are making them feel like shit. It is unfair because no one deserves to be teased, ridiculed, or embarassed over their weight.
Deal with it. Every overweight person in this thread has given reasons why they are overweight. If I asked you why you don’t look like Tom Cruise, you would have a reason, right? So if you ask someone how come they don’t look like Calista Flockhead, they will have a reason. It is not up to anyone, particularly YOU, to judge that reason. Accept it or walk away.
“Jesus H. Christ - I defend the OP and try and simply debate many of the mentally lazy claims made by people on the other side of the debate and now I’m getting accused of attacking people and judging people indiscriminately?”
Examples of your judging people:
1.“I mean also pisses me off to hear people bitch about their weight and then see the hoards of people -with big 'ole flabby bellys hanging over their waistbands - standing in Wendy’s line in the food court during lunch. Jeez, have a little pride and little common sense”
2.The ho-ho recliner comment - I can’t find it but I am sure we all remember it well.
You are judging people. You are saying that regardless of whatever - stress, medical problem, family death - every person should go to the gym and work out because:
a. it’s healthy.
b. men find it more attractive.
c. you don’t want to have sex with a fat girl.
I mean, that’s the idea I got.
"then I have every right to complain back when the whining and promising turns out to be nothing but whining and promising with little substance and call them on their empty promises. "
No you don’t. And if you ever had the nerve to do that to me, I would punch you. I definitely have the nerve to do that, trust me. I think you are using this thread as an excuse to air out your opinion on why fat people suck. But I doubt you care enough about anyone who is overweight to do anything other than complain. Not that we want you to anyway, but it goes both ways.
Others’ weight problems do not excuse your rudeness.
Quicksilver:
“Hollywood may be performing an unintentional public service by glamourizing the Twiggy look. I may be wrong about that.”
No, they are not. They are making fat people feel worse about their weight, which leads them to eat more.
No women who weighs 250 lbs is going to look at Calista Flockhead and say, “I wanna look like that, and it is attainable! Let’s go to the gym!” No, if she saw a 140 or a 160lb women, she might, but she knows she will never look like Calista and she loses hope.
I’m sure all the fat gals out there will agree with me, because I am speaking from experiance.
I hope you all can forgive my use of those quotes, I am ot sure how to do it the right way.
One more time:
OTHERS’ WEIGHT PROBLEMS DO NOT EXCUSE YOUR RUDENESS.
- and that’s where I decided to debate some of their claims.
