The giant Scylla Thanksgiving crow eating thread.

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minty, lots of things happened “like 9/11” on Clinton’s watch. A short list:

WTC, 1993
Khobar Towers, 1996
Embassy Bombings, 1998
USS Cole, 2000

And we mustn’t forget our own homegrown terrorists:

Oklahoma City Bombing, 1995
Branch Davidians, 1993

It’s not like nobody ever died on Clinton’s watch due to terrorism, minty. In fact, the only thing that stopped 9/11/01 from being 2/26/93 was poor placement of the truck bomb. They planned to collapse one tower into the other and take them both down all at once.

These terrorists don’t care whether you’re a Democrat or Republican, they simply care whether you’re an American or not. That said, don’t wrap the holy Clinton with glory in his efforts to combat terrorism. That’s quite a list there, prima facie evidence that he simply didn’t get the job done. Time will tell whether we can say the same about Bush.

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Airman Doors, USAF:
The time is now, unlike others here (and it seems to me many are not really saying that) I have said no administration can claim competency on dealing with terrorists. Frankly, even nations that are virtual dictatorships suffer the same.

If it happens in your watch you are responsible, not for the act, but on how to deal with it. Bush essentially jumped to the conclusion to “fuck Saddam, we are going in” problem was: Osama was responsible, Osama and other Al-Queda leaders escaped capture from Afghanistan, I do call that incompetence. Saddam was a different issue and intelligence was manipulated to dispose of him, I do call that also incompetence. (And much worse)

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I am keeping it. This is not discussion. You have not reflected good will, honesty, or integrity, you small-sminded semantic squirrel, so I am reflecting what you have given me. Do not call it discussion. This is your bile, your meanness, your lying, your petty misrepresentations thrown right back it you. This is not discussion. It is empty vapid and meaningless. Like you.

People tend to accuse others of the things they hate most in themselves. I haven’t weaseled here, and up till I decided to act like you, I have shown integrity. Your accusations reveal your own inner moral bankruptcy. I have tried to be decent. You’re incapable of returning. In fact, I have sensed frustration at your inability to bait me.

Is this not what you want, your six month hissy fit? Are you not happy?

I know where it is, I just ain’t sticking my finger up your ass.

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Ah, a crisp November morning, a cup of good coffee, and a gibbering Scylla meltdown! How sweet, the bitterness of your bile. How it lifts the trodden spirit, wafted ever higher on the gentle wind of your impotent invective!

And the flattery! It is I who embodies all the perfidy of the snarling left! Mother will be so proud! It could only be better if there were some challenge to it, rather than baiting a rabid wolverine into rage.

“big” - well, 5’9", 165
“fat” - see above
“lying” - one must. Being neither rich, nor handsome, the balm of flattery is often the only thing that stands between me and a life of unwilling celibacy.
“stoner” - guilty as charged. To quote St. Willy of Nelson, “I gave up whiskey for weed in 1976. May be the only smart thing I ever did.” Sometimes, parsing your sentences suggests that you have Mr. Johnny Walker for an amanuensis. Rather a poor choice, that.

Maybe so, maybe so. But he’s a Yurpeen, and a resident of Holland, where recreational drugs are mandatory. Or so I’ve heard. And December is/was unfailingly polite whereas I am capable of such as…

“I am a bit hazy on my Greek mythology. Wasn’t Scylla the one who swallowed all the Greek seamen?”

Not very nice. Certainly not polite.

Then you start in on friend Minty. He’s a big boy, he can take care of himself.

As to Mr. Franken’s book, I haven’t read it. I don’t think he’s very funny, and I cringe to look at him. He embodies the classic type-cast of the liberal weenie. As I said, I have heard/read elsewhere the charges laid out in his book, as related to us here by the doe-eyed and slinky Natasha. Nowhere have I seen them refuted. Which should be easy enough, if they are lies. Names and dates are specified, you should have no problem. If they are lies.

Now, true…the fact that no one has refuted them does not prove beyond all doubt that they are true. Maybe no one has gotten around to it, or simply didn’t notice. Seems unlikely, considering the frothing invective he has attracted. If they are such perfidious lies, they would clearly offer a very attractive target for repudiation, wouldn’t they?

But you’re just the man for the job! Towering intellect, internet access, and Goddess knows you have an ample supply of bile. Sic 'em! Show us what you got, tough guy!

Got ilk?

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I’m well aware of the terrorist attacks that occurred during Clinton’s tenure, Airman. But perhaps it would be instructive to add up the bodies from those incidents you listed:

WTC 2/93: 6 dead.

Khobar Towers: 19 dead (victims all military;* also probably not an al Qaeda attack)

Kenya embassy: 213 dead (12 Americans)

Tanzania embassy: 11 dead (no Americans)

USS Cole: 17 dead (victims all military)

Oklahoma City: 168 dead (as you note, not al Qaeda or any other Islamic terrorist group)

Branch Davidians: Not an example of terrorism under any reasonable definition of the word.
Add those all up and you don’t get anywhere near the 3,000 killed in 9/11. Take out the non-Americans and those whose deaths were not attributable to Islamic terrorism, and you’re left with only a tiny fraction of the 9/11 death list. Take out the non-military victims, and you’re left with, what, 18 American civilians killed on Clinton’s watch?

I say that not to absolve the Clintonistas for their failures in the fight against Islamic terrorism, and not to lay the blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Bushies, but simply to point out that there was a big difference in outcome between the two administrations.

  • I personally distinguish between military and civilian targets, though it’s certainly reasonable to to ignore that difference in the case of terrorism.
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Why thank you.

Well let’s see there’s Elucidator, there’s Minty, there’s Elvis, liars and villains all, and there’s those that gave Bush athority for war, and then immediately criticized him. Then there’s all the candidates except Lieberman who campaign on a cry of Bush sucks. Pretty much the whole party, Bub. The Democratic party has devolved to bitter cries of “Bush sucks!” “It’s a War about oil.” The demonization instead of rational argument, the emptiness of criticizing and denouncing while offering nothing to replace it with. The fact that the premiere intellectual liberal athority is Al Franken’s book of name-calling. Al Franken! Jeezum Pete choose one of the funny cast members. Perhaps the Republicans can get a rebuttal cast by Bill Murray. The fact that a centrist reasonable and thoughtful Democrat needs to identify himself as “Liberal but not a nut.” Where’s the perfidy? Where’s the peridy? Wherefore not is the perfidy, the odious perfidious… Um perfidy… Of the perfidious lies? (don’t lose it, keep rolling.)

I say unto you, find me ten righteous nonperdious Democrats and I will not destroy your city.

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For me it’s the denial:

“They will not see that I am hypocrisy and lies if I do not admit them.”

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(Anyone else have the sneaking suspicion that Scylla actually believes he can destroy cities?)

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GodScylla! Look out, Tokyo!

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And the flattery! It is I who embodies all the perfidy of the snarling left! Mother will be so proud! It could only be better if there were some challenge to it, rather than baiting a rabid wolverine into rage.

Don’t Rebut it you medeiveal moronic mercenary of mendacity, you bilious bumblebee of bile, scraping out a hole in a plank of the deck of reason, thus undermining it’s integrity, you termite of turpitude, and quasi-tumescant tick on the dog of good faith contaminating said mutt with the Lyme disease of moral disinfatuation!

It is not meant to be rebutted. It is simply an insult. If I call you a “stinky booger” will you rebut “well let’s see I exhibit none of the chemical characteristics of a booger, and in fact bear little physical resemblance to such an artifact. Having recently showered, I do not stink at present?”

'Twas good, and I accepted it as such, IIRC.

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“I haven’t weaseled here, and up till I decided to act like you, I have shown integrity.”

Including your refusal to provide any examples of “perfidious (or is it perdious?) lies”, just more repetition of the charge? Who, pray tell, are you trying to convince of what?

Sad wanker.

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You are peridious! You are the liberal Smeagol of these boards, Gollummining after the precious “Me wants the Scylla to say something mean to me. Me wants the perfidy. Me wants it. Me wants it!”

And I have given it to you. I have addressed the perfidy. It is you [b[Elvislies** It is all you believe and all you stand for and everything you post, and every misrepresentation you make. It flows through you and surrounds you and permeates the air you breathe. You are the a jedi Knight of dishonesty. “The Force” you wield is lies.

Tell me where I have said that Saddam is responsible for 9/11.

Where have I said it?

But you said I did.

It was just another lie. There’s one in most every post you make. They are impossible to catalog, like the leaves of autumn.

And not once have you admitted and apologized for one that I have seen.

I judge thee icky.

Where’s the perfidy? Where’s the perfidy?

The answer is within you. You are the answer.

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“pussilanimous pussyfooters…nattering nabobs of negativism…truculent troglodytes…”

Agnew did it better. Sad beyond words.

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No need, I was thinking you are reaching the level of Bush and his tasteless trifecta joke. (A joke that he stopped saying once someone noticed he stole it from a serious remark of Gore)

Nah, the republicans will probably choose that paragon of seriousness: Arnold Schwarzenegger!

Well, Arnold won by impersonating one (a centrist Democrat, not a nut)

Meltdowns are not pretty indeed.

Charlton Heston is that you?

Incidentally: I have also read Franken’s book, I don’t care he is a comedian, his research is eons better than other conservative writers. Attacking the messenger is also another certifiable fallacy coming from your part.

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Pat Buchanan actually scripted those lines, ftr, before the GOP got too liberal for him.

Scylla, that’s already been addressed. If you refuse, as is also typical, to accept it, that’s your problem. And a huge problem it is, too.

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Gigo:

But when Al calls people names it’s “good research?” The book is classic selective punditry and for chrissake he’s ripping the technique off from Coulter, of whom I’m halfway convinced it’s a secret parody. And yes, he does do it better, but she’s blonde.
It is partisan punditry not truth.

It’s just people being nasty to each other. Like this.

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Anyone else imagining Scylla in the transporter chamber, with the anti-grav devices clamped on, chanting “I am Nomad. I am perfect. My mission is to destroy imperfection”, while the smoke puffs out and he starts to shake?

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Holy shit, I thought I was lefty! But a guy who thinks Franken is a conservative writer…Dude! Awesome!

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I haven’t read it either, but just going by things Stoid posted it seems to be on the order of Ann Coulter’s Treason, and last I heard in GD she didn’t “lie” either. You take one supporting factually correct piece of evidence for your side, match it up with a glaring error of the other side, (note that when Coulter can’t accuse a person directly, like Clinton, she’ll switch to “Democrats” or “liberals”) repeat throughout and your case is made. An example would be Franken mentioning a positive in Clinton’s increasing the FBI counterterrorism budget, giving him sole credit I guess, and then noting later that the FBI did nothing about middle easterners in flight schools - Bush gets sole blame. Etc. It’s popular nowadays but IMO it gives the whole thing the flavoring of an opinion piece, and that’s exactly where the debates and discussions on these topics eventually end up as well.

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Dammit, Scylla beat me to Coulter.