The Great Ongoing Guitar Thread

That’s one where I’d pick the emulation every single day over the original. I’ve seen one once, in kind of a vintage shop that was, TBH, almost more of a museum.

I wouldn’t want to deal with getting the tape reels/bobbins/capstans/whatever in good shape, much less keeping them in good shape. I like my Rhodes stage piano and an old Wurlitzer electric piano well enough, but even those comparatively simple instruments can be a hassle, especially for people who are less mechanically inclined (or in my case, both that as well as terrifically lazy).

And speaking of tuning…well…best not to speak of the subject in those cases! Although some people manage that fairly easily on those. Probably sorcery!

I still think that’s a keytar, just strategically photographed to hide its essence! I’m assume for reasons of being humble! Or perhaps not wishing to be associated with the mighty “keytar”!

Yeah, that’s checking out with what I’ve been reading about the three-barrel bridge. It’s even more adjustable than just a regular wooden bridge/saddle, and I can get that plenty close enough to taste.

Plus, apparently that was the original bridge design from the very beginning (or nearly so) in the 1950s. For me, simpler is better, provided I can get tolerable results, which in my case is pretty much “good enough,” when it comes to intonation (don’t have especially golden ears, you know). Holding tune is far more important to me. If it came to replacing tuning machines, which I’d not bother on the Squier Sonic, I’d consider locking tuners, just because they seem neat, and probably could easily find some that fit the headstock/holes of a basic guitar like a Tele.

I don’t especially mind changing strings, though, and can usually manage to wind them about the posts well enough, and from what I hear locking tuners don’t actually improve tuning stability per se.

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Yeah, but you’re talking with a guy that in the age of the disposable inkjet printer, still ran a Linotype and letterpress. The complexity is the draw, as well as the satisfaction of keeping an iconic instrument alive long past it’s expiration date.

It’s more adjustable than a wooden bridge on an acoustic guitar, but it most certainly not more adjustable than any comparable electric guitar bridge. A lot of people find the three barrel bridge to be fine, but there is a whole industry of people selling bent, angled or staggered replacement saddles for a reason. You can only get so close with the original design. I can hear the difference which is why I have the six barrel kind on my Tele-style guitar.

I’ve had guitars with locking tuners and don’t think they contribute any more to tuning stability than a well strung standard tuners. What locking tuners excel at is speed and foolproof stringing. I’ve seen some atrocious wraps out there and those folks complaint about stability.

Personally, I like the split-shaft tuners the best. They’re almost as fast as lockers, and they don’t create a weak spot in the string that can break if for some reason you need to unstring then restring a guitar using the same strings, like when I’m doing fretwork.

Well, then I’d think the Mellotron would be perfect for you! Actually, you could probably build your own fairly easily, with some parts that shouldn’t be too difficult to source, from what I understand of the original mechanism.

Sure. The floating bridge on an archtop I find satisfactory enough, though: find the right angle position for the high and low E strings, tighten the strings, then make a few comparatively small nudges to the bridge. A combination of listening to the strings under tension, then loosening strings to make a gross adjustment, then a tiny amount of fiddling. The middle strings seem to take care of themselves, at least in my experience.

Winding the strings around the tuning posts is one thing I think I can do just about as well as anybody…just takes a little bit of care, and is really a by-the-book standardized procedure, requiring (for me), no art or special skill at all. Sort of tying shoelaces, just with metal (in this case).

I find winding the posts on a 3-n-3 headstock a huge pain in the ass for the high strings. I’d opt for locking in that case, and love it for the 3/3 guitars I have with locking. For a straight-6 headstock, not that useful.

Quick question, what is your favorite Tuner?

I started with A 440 and G tuning forks in school. Strike it and place on the guitar to vibrate. I never found pitch pipes useful.

I switched to clip on Tuners when they became available. I have a Peterson strobe Tuner pedal.

I have tried several tuner Apps.

But, my old faithful is a Boss TU-12 chromatic tuner. I bought it 15 years ago. I like it because the Needle isn’t fooled by overtones. I can see the needle swing sharp on overtones.

I prefer Chromatic Tuners because I like to check notes in a chord. For example the G# in a E maj chord.Or the C# in a A maj chord.

First I tune open strings. Then I play chords and check the common notes against each other.

What Tuner do you like best?

I’m just using Snarks. I bought the Peterson app for my phone when I had a vexing issue to figure out, haven’t used it since.

I was surprised to learn Tuners were available in the 1960’s. Big bulky boxes and high priced. They weren’t a consumer grade product.

Snark had the market on inexpensive Tuners for a long time. My Boss tuner isn’t expensive. $25 to 30 used on Ebay. They would have been expensive when they came out in the late 1980’s.

I keep the Carl Tune Android App on my phone. It shows the note number. E4 for example and shows where that note fits on the G Treble Clef.

The last Snark I bought had some issues, as in, the battery wouldn’t last a month. And it’s not like I play every second of every day. A little while ago I got a D’Addario stealth tuner - it lays flatter against the head stock so it doesn’t stick out like a Snark antler.

This is the kind of tuner I saw when I was in high school in the 70s:

Try throwing that in a Gig bag. :smile:

I remember in school orchestra the first chair violin would tune accurately. Then play the note for everyone else to tune. That was effective for 30 students to play in tune.

I’ve used a couple of boss TU-3s for years now. If I need a third tuner for some reason, I’ll probably grab another. Pretty much indestructible, and it doesn’t care if I forgot to turn off the fuzz before using it. Plus it’s bypass output lets me use it as a convenient splitter at home for multiple recording paths when I’m not using any stereo pedals.

Still use one. Carry it pretty often when going out drinking to check what key some tune is in on the jukebox. For some reason. Just habit, really. Or maybe I think I’ll eventually develop better pitch memory (not the same as absolute pitch, probably because it’s really, really slow compared to the automatic sense some people have…but if all you have is the one tuning fork, I find relative pitch sense comes fairly easily, in an abstract sense [i.e., away from any instrument except just your inner ear]).

Since I don’t play out on guitar, and have no designs on doing so ever, I tune pretty meticulously by ear, starting with the A=440 pitch, and try just about combination of fretted note, harmonics, and some open strings I can think of.

Yeah, I believe it’s a Snark clip-on tuner I have as well…I find it to be almost alarmingly accurate. Although of course it won’t tell you with any amount of precision (in cents, say) how far off a note is. I’d classify it as a “handy gadget” that has its uses, for sure.

I have used in the past at least one plug-in that supposedly emulated one of the classic Peterson strobe tuners…but I haven’t used proper DAW software in ages, for anything.

These Unitunes are the best clip-on tuner I have found. Works well on my guitar, mandolin, and electric bass and doesn’t get thrown off in a room of 10 others simultaneously tuning up.

I have a Seiko chromatic ST900 which must be well over 20 years old.
Still works fine, good on bass as well.

Never really felt the need for anything else, though I guess the clip-on ones might be handier, especially if you’re going to different tunings like drop-d in mid-gig. I usually carry two instruments for that, though.

For years, I had a little Korg clip-on that I liked, but over time, something went wrong with the LCD and it became difficult to read. I replaced it with a Snark, which was fine until my dog bit the mount off of it.

I have a Polytune clip on now. I really like it. It has a single note mode, a strobe mode, and a view where you can tune all the stings at once which is brilliant.

For ultimate precision for setting intonation, I use the Peterson strobe app.

That polytune does look rather nice for the multi-string capability.

Is there any way you can program it for anything other than standard tuning, I wonder?
At least a few common ones like drop-D or open G would be nice. Shouldn’t be difficult with modern DSP technology?

Oops, perhaps I’ve just given away a patentable idea…? :slight_smile:

It’s fully chromatic. In single note-mode it just shows the name of the closest note and whether you’re above or below, real similar to a Snark.

When it’s showing multiple strings (which technically is the same mode as single-note, it changes the display when it detects a strum) it’s just assuminging you’re close and shows the bar based on the closest note.

Ah yes, just like any usual chromatic tuner. Fine if you’re just a bit off and need to tweak… but could be a bit surprising if a string has gone seriously out…?

I’m still wondering if one could create an option to train it for different tunings so it has a better basis for deciding when you are in fact “close” on each string?

Happily I’ve had all my instruments for a long time so they are all properly intonated, settled and stable… tune once at start of gig and we’re usually good. Of course I don’t do wild bending or use a whammy bar or the dreaded Bigsby. :wink:

Some tuners offers sweetened tunings. Where the strings are tweaked to compensate for minor irregularities in guitar fretting.

I tried Peterson sweetened options. I wasn’t very impressed. Other people like it.

Your tuning changes slightly. It depends on how the
notes are fretted. I don’t spend the time worrying about perfect tuning.

James Taylor published his sweetened tuning preferences.
https://gearspace.com/board/so-many-guitars-so-little-time/818338-james-taylors-quot-tuning-sweetening-quot-intonation-tips.html