The Great Un-Fork Hillary Thread

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HuffPo has added the latest Quinnipiac poll and Hillary now has the dubious distinction of an unfavorable rating above 50%. The last four polls show her above 50% unfavorable. To put this in context, Obama has never had an aggregate unfavorable rating above 50 though he came close in 2014. His worst before the 2012 election was 48%. Biden has never been above 50% either.

Not only that, but she no longer has an electability advantage over either Sanders or Biden.

So what exactly is the rationale for Clinton again? She’s the least experienced. And she’s polling the worst.

According to one poll, which includes a candidate who isn’t running. Once candidates decide to run, their numbers tend to go down.

That’s the second showing Biden doing better in general election matchups, actually.

It’s still a tiny difference, and includes a candidate who isn’t running yet. Hillary was polling better before she started running too. That’s the nature of campaigning.

Let’s all keep in mind that we’re in the doldrums of August, and the primaries are still months away. And the election is over a year away.

Yes I seem to recall Rick Perry and Fred Thompson being high in the polls until they got in the race. It’s still the exhibition season, still a few months away from the first real contests.

True, but it has to be added here that as FOX news found how much money came their way by limiting the number of candidates in a debate (A lot of money came to prop up candidates that were close or just below the limit for the debate) the media, as I expected, knows about all that money that is out there in this election and by golly they are going to get it.

What we are seeing with the election controversies and the early fights being covered a lot is in part a result of the courts removing many limitations with the money in elections. It is like reality TV drama that the media pushed only for a few months before and now it is becoming an almost 2 year season because there is more money to be made.

An unexpected result of the Citizen’s United court decision and I do think that many on the media are thinking: “Neat, huh?” *

  • I do think that the media knew about that consequence and so it did not pay too much attention on what the critics of dropping the money limits had to say.

*Hot Air and Townhall Media Group commissioned their first-ever scientific poll this month, partnering with Survey Monkey on the 2016 primary races. …

Clinton has a six-point lead over Bernie Sanders, 37.88/31.75, when the sample only includes Democrats (as shown in the graphic above). **When independents are included, Sanders has a one-point lead over Clinton, 29.6/28.46. That grows to a two-point lead when including all non-Republican respondents (“Something Else” for party ID was nearly 10% of the sample), 28.77/26.64. *Sanders has wide leads among both categories of independents, by slightly over 10 points, 25.83/15.56

You’re actually taking succor in right-wing hack media like TownHall? What happened to you?

Taking succor? Jesus you Hillary supporters are wound up.

Actually, I completely intend to vote for Bernie in the PA primary. But if Hillary wins the nomination, you bet your butt I’m voting for her instead of letting a Republican vote go uncontested.

(Bolding added.)

I can’t tell what you mean here.

A lot of us like Bernie just fine; we just don’t seem to hate Hillary like you do.

Oh, Fenris is trying to be sarcastic.

Clinton is actually in worse shape than any other candidate. Her support is coming almost entirely from Democrats. Independents prefer both Bush and Trump to Clinton. Plus Trump and Bush are seeing a lot of disapproval from Republicans. Like Mitt Romney, should either be the nominee, Republicans will rally around them.

So here’s a firm adaher prediction: clinton will have a lower approval rating than the Republican nominee, should she become the Democratic nominee.

Just like for Obama.

I’ll try to remember.

Not just like Obama. Independents disapprove of her by a more than 2-1 margin.

IIUC those are the Republican-leaning independents.