You got that right. For example, you’ve consistently evaded the question, “Where’d all the Jews go?” and your refusal to answer is pretty insulting.
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Ok Allan, I’ll participate. Answer me this, and please no links or obscurities. In your opinion, as you understand it, what was the motive of the people who created the hoax? They must have known it was a huge undertaking, and if they were caught it would play very badly for them, so why the hoax? Why not just play up the truth about the disease/starvation/overwork of the camps? What possible reward was worth inventing a horrorshow and risking being found out that couldn’t be achieved by exagerating the truth?
Kids. maybe just once we should allow an OP like this to just drift down to the bottom with no replies until it floats away like an oily gas-filled turd drifting its way toward the sewer where it can find appropriate companionship.
It seems unlikely Mr Gurfinkle will suddenly come to realize the error of his ways.
ya, I realize I just bumped it but only to make a suggestion to the crowd…
“You can’t succeed on Broadway if you don’t have any Jews!” [/spamelot reference]
I’ve been to Dachau as a teenager. I saw the ovens and the barracks and the lampshades and the photos. I have never forgotten it. Long may it stand so that we do not forget.
Finally, you have stated something that is inarguably true.
I’ve heard it, read it and looked at it. Nitpicking one book does not invalidate what millions of people have testified to. How could it?
I don’t think Weisel would agree. I’ve read Night and I remember noticing what you said - he didn’t talk about gas chambers.
Of course, Weisel survived and never saw the inside of one. The argument you’re making is stupid: you’re claiming Weisel’s book exposes the Holocaust as a hoax because he doesn’t discuss gas chambers when he does discuss so many other features of the Holocaust, including the ethnic cleansing, the brutality, the genocidal conditions, the disregard for human life and so on.
To have pulled off such a hoax, the Jews would have had to have MASSIVE assistance from non-Jews as well. Who were these Gentiles who helped fake the evidence, and what did they get in return?
Allan Gurfinkle
I can’t speak on behalf of all Jews. So the following represents only me.
I forgive you.
I understand the Holocaust can be so horrible and overwhelming that the only response is to deny it. One day, you’ll be able to face the truth. Until then, I understand why you do what you do.
Saying that Wiesel never saw the showers, thus they didn’t exist, is basically like saying “My uncle was in Angola prison and never saw death row, so there’s not one”. (If your uncle was a car thief or drug dealer, chances are he was never sent to death row for an errand.)
Any way, to have pulled off such a hoax, the Jews would have had to have MASSIVE assistance from non-Jews as well. Who were these Gentiles who helped fake the evidence, and what did they get in return?
Another straightforward question that you haven’t answered: Assume gas chambers aren’t an issue at all, do you believe that Jews were killed en masse in forests by German soldiers on orders from superiors and buried in mass graves?
For that matter do you admit that Kristallnacht happened or that Jews lost their property?
How about T4 in which non-Jews were euthanized for retardation or “bad genes”?
Do you deny that Hitler preached repeatedly for 20 years the need to racially purify Europe or that he blamed everything that happened in WW2 on the Jews on the last day of his life in writing with his signature?
Why was Rudolph Höss brought to trial and hanged? Or Amon Goeth or Ernst Rahm or others whose only “crime” was running an interrment camp?
Is part of this observed absurdity the windows? My earlier questions have yet to be answered. Even if some tour guide thought he was showing the original structures (or knew he wasn’t but didn’t make a point of explaining this), I somehow fail to see the relevance to what was actually happening in Auschwitz during the war.
Anyway, what exactly about the quote are you disputing? The mass deportations, or that millions were gassed? If the first is true but not the second, where did the millions go?
Okay. You can assume that I don’t care about why anyone would have created a hoax on this scale. I care only about how they did it. What’s your evidence?
Based on what you’ve read of my posts, am I a Zionist? I like to know if I’m being lumped into a group.
Let’s assume I’m not a Zionist, because I think I raised a non-harebrained objection to the “gas chamber windows” statement. To summarize:
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It is not difficult to construct a “glass” window that can easily resist the efforts of people who are succumbing to poison gas, or even perfectly healthy people who have only their bare hands. Either make it thick (one inch will do easily, or if it can’t, I invite you to explain) or use an acrylic window.
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If the glass windows are in buildings on the Auschwitz site that were actually constructed after the war, then how does that prove or disprove anything at all?
Regarding the David Cole video, the text introduction on your linked webpage includes:
If this is what Cole is trying to disprove, he’s wasting his time: most victims of the Holocaust were not gassed. Auschwitz represents an industrial approach to mass murder, but I understand more victims died in mass shootings in various locales as the Germans expanded Eastward. That a significant number may have died of disease in no way exonerates the Germans, since they were responsible for herding Jews and others into crowded ghettos and camps in the first place.
And I’m afraid that accusing us of slandering Nazis isn’t a very potent claim.
So, tell me then, why did the Nazis purchase their Zyklon B expressly without the chemical irritant/warning odor if they didn’t have any intention to use it on people? Where the lice catching on?
And how did the cyanide traces get all over the walls of those rooms if there hadn’t been any gassings?
Of course, I don’t actually expect any response to my post…
So what were the lies, again? I read “Night” 20 years ago in high school, so I didn’t have a critical eye back then. If the book is full of lies, why don’t you list some of them?
It’s odd that you somehow believe that since concentration camp prisoners sometimes actually took real showers that proves that the gassings never took place.
This is why I never leave GQ.
Ah, he doesn’t hate Jews, he just hates Zionists.
During World War 2, the United States placed about 110,000 people of Japanese ancestry in internment camps. The last of them weren’t released until March 1946.
The death toll in the 11 camps totaled 1,862. That’s about 1.7%.
Do I understand correctly that you’re arguing Nazi sanitation practices were so poor that MILLIONS of Europeans died of typhus and other diseases while the U.S. could keep the mortality rate in its camps below 2%?
So if the Nazis weren’t deliberately trying to kill their captives, they were really, really, really bad at houskeeping.
You know, most of white Christian European society was also brutalized by the Nazis. Even if you take the Jews and the Holocaust out of the picture entirely, the Nazis still established a brutally repressive dictatorship in Germany and then invaded its neighbors, plundered their economies, and engaged in forced relocations, massacres, and slavery of the conquered peoples. The Nazis, along with the Soviet Communists, were the greatest enemies of white Christian Europe in the 20th century.
Just for s&gs, I looked up Bad Arolsen. Allan is quite correct when he says there’s a huge archive of Nazi documents there. It seems the city hosts the International Tracing Service. According to Wikipedia, the ITS is
According to its own site,
The archives have been available for research since November 2007, a step that required the agreement of 11 different countries. I suppose that deniers haven’t caught up with the news lately, since this happened not-quite-a-year ago. From my brief perusal of the site, it appears that prior to that, you had to be a survivor and also had to submit a request that they would then research.
From my perspective you don’t want to debate the questions that have been repeatedly asked of you and ignored. Do you realize how lame it is to suggest that a chemical the US uses to execute people in the gas chamber is nothing more than a pesticide and that the Germans used it to fumigate the clothes of the Jews. Why would a regular part of German society suddenly need to be deloused? Were there gas chambers all over Germany to serve the clothing hygene needs of the voters of the third Reich? Why did they need to fumigate the clothes of the Jews if they were given prison outfits? Were all those pictures the allies took lies too?
Is there some condition that prevents you from answering questions instead of harping on the idea that the gas was used to delouse clothing that would have been discarded? At least throw us a bone here. Were the Germans having the clothing of the Jews dry cleaned for their trip away from the Fatherland? You still haven’t answered the question of where they all went.
Indeed; that was the plan all along:
In all seriousness, dude. Do you understand that this is not how it works? You can’t prove something did NOT happen. It’s a logical truism. Your task, if you want to convince anyone, is to DISPROVE all the evidence there is that PROVES the holocaust.
Again, in all seriousness: all you’re doing is cherrypicking a handful of examples of things that you feel that you can argue against, but you’re leaving undebated millions of other pieces of evidence that prove, without needing the support of the ones you’ve cherrypicked, completely conclusively.
THAT’S how it works, dude. As long as there is ONE item that proves that something DID happen, there’s nothing you can do to prove it didn’t. Sorry, but reality has a logical bias.
Let us all bear in mind that in this day and age Holocaust denial is Mostly Harmless, however much the deniers might wish otherwise.