The Hunt for Rant October---minirant time!

Me three - I was the same way. I had no trouble understanding the work or memorizing things, so my attitude toward homework was exactly as you describe, “Jeez, I did fine on the test. Can’t you see I get it, already?” Here’s what I’d tell your kid:

As I got older, I discovered that the point of homework is not learning, but overlearning. It’s intentionally repetitive, so that the knowledge becomes automatic. It’s great to be able to figure out how much 16 X 16 is, but it’s so much better to just instantly know, without having to think about it at all, that it’s 256. The only way to have that happen, unless you’re a savant, is to practice it over and over. Also, the more deeply you ingrain a skill, the longer you will retain it, and the easier it will be to relearn if you do lose it. I still remember being that age and feeling that learning was almost effortless, and that once I learned something, it was mine forever. I wish someone could have warned me that these things wouldn’t always be true.

Another reason homework is especially important for gifted kids is that so many things come so easily to them that they often just give up when they don’t enjoy something, or don’t understand it right away. Homework helps teach them strategies for learning when it doesn’t come easily. No matter what they do in life, and no matter how brilliant they are, there will always be things that take extra effort. At your kid’s age, refusing to learn something just because it’s not your favorite thing is really limiting yourself. I love my work now, but I would have certainly had a different career path, and would be much farther along in it, if I had tried to keep my options open and do my best in everything, rather than just the things I liked in high school.

And finally, when I was young, I was a smug, superior little snot. I was smart, and I knew it. I felt pity for the kids who didn’t just pick things up instantly like I did. But the other side of that coin was that when there was something I didn’t understand or couldn’t do on the first try, it wasn’t just that I wasn’t interested - I felt like an abject failure. My sense of self-worth (and the worth of others) was completely tied to “natural” ability. Innate skills seemed real, while something I had to learn seemed fake, somehow. I felt ashamed of having to work at something, almost as though I were an impostor: I couldn’t “really” do X; I had to learn how. Meanwhile many of those kids I pitied felt no shame in working ten times harder than I did, and in a few years, they were making up the difference. By the time I got to college, I could no longer just skate by on my natural ability, and found myself floundering, while “dumb” kids who knew how to study were handing me my ass. Their knowledge and skills were as real as they come.

Ultimately, it’s kind of like discovering you have a super-power: sure, you can do some cool stuff with it now, that a lot of other people can’t do. But if you use it as a starting point, you’ll go beyond your wildest dreams. And if you don’t use it, you’ll lose it.

That’s what I thought, but I’m no dog whisperer.

QTF.

I could do an alpha roll on a full-grown Doberman by the time I was twelve. Our dogs were generally well-behaved, but unneutered males (I didn’t have a say in the matter, and this was in the 70s and 80s, when neutering wasn’t seen as such an important thing) do occasionally want to challenge their way up the pack ladder.

My daughter is at the opposite end and she is SUPPOSED to bring home her math from the day (whether it’s finished or not) every day. We have been doing this for four weeks. It has come home five times.

Of course, the revenge is sweet. You see, my husband and I are both math nerds so we just work up some worksheets that are even harder than her homework would be.

(Not that it’s having any effect on her remembering but she is doing a lot better at math now. :D)

Okay. My rant. I have decided to enter the 21st century of fashion.

I went out and got myself some skinny jeans, layering tops and ballet flats. All super cute and affordable.

The problem is boots. You see I want some brown calf high boots. The kind they sell at every shoe store. Yeah, no boots for me. You see I have big calves. Not a single pair ob boots will get over them.

No problem, I can just order them online, right? There are tons of wide calf boots available online, right? Wrong. I live in Canada and no one will ship them to me.

Now I REALLY want a pair of calf height boots. :frowning:

Get a pair that fits your feet but not your calves. (Roll/fold down the top to get your foot in to check this.) Bring them to a cobbler and ask for them to put in a gusset in the top, taking open a seam to do it. It’ll probably be matching-ish leather or an elastic panel. Voila, boots that fit!

Extremely well stated. Thank you. I had a talk with eldest where I paraphrased many of these ideas. She apparently did do her homework but forgot to put her math book back in her bookbag.

I was thinking of doing that myself (or just having a cobbler stretch them).

One of the stores said they would be getting in some wide top boots next week. I am going to look there first.

I was a straight A student until 7th grade when they put me in GATE. I got straight D’s for two years until high school. I still don’t really know why. My parents were at their wits end. They even took me to a therapist of some sort figuring that something must have happened or I had problems I wasn’t communicating to them. (I hated that condescending bitch. Lydia Roybal-Aragon, I’m looking at YOU. I can still remember your name almost 3 decades later and not for any good reason, cunt.)

Looking back on it, I think that I just didn’t like being controlled. Kind of another brick in the wall feeling. Harder and more homework piled on you by virtue of just being smart is a load of shit, but I’ve come to see that that’s how it works in the adult world, too. It’s still a load of shit, but it’s a load of shit you have to haul if you want to get along in life.

And having been that kid…I still don’t know what to tell you about how to handle it or fix it or even make it easier on the kid and everyone around. You can tell them why, you can reason, you can yell, you can ground 'em, but it won’t change a thing. Well, not with me, it didn’t. I was stubborn as a mule.

And now the goddamn ads have sound! That’s going too far. Knock it off.

The gifted program at the elementary schools I attended not only gave extra homework, but pulled you out of regular class for the “gifted” classes. You still had to do homework for the regular class, too. My parents ended up taking me out of the programs…I think I turned out just fine. :slight_smile:

And here’s another mini.

I’ve been looking around in other forums here because there’s been a stunning lack of worthwhile threads lately, to me, anyway. I blame politics taking over everyone’s brain. Whatever, that’s not my bitch.

My bitch is that I swear I can tell someone’s join date by the thread title. Have there been a lot of new people here just lately, or have I been running into a disproportionate number of them because I’m venturing into other forums outside of the pit or MPSIMS?

I LIKE new blood around here, but by god why can’t a one of them use anything that resembles civilized communication? They come over here and shit all over things with their text speak and atrocious spelling, and then have the gall to snap back at being called on it. If you’re going to venture into another country, at least have the sense to take a stab at conforming to custom. It’s not like we’re asking you to put on a burkah or anything! Good god, you morons. I hate you and I hope your writing serves you in the real world exactly like it should.

I’ve been playing that “guess the join date” game, too, and I’ve been batting a very high percentage on those from September/October 2012. I’ve also been amused by the posters who clearly “fit in,” seeming to know board protocol and etiquette, who have recent join dates. Mysteriously, those seem to get banned without a notice in ATMB.

I lurked for a while before joining. I knew the rules, but because I’m so used to auto correct, I kept forgetting to use my shift key. I’m also a “creative speller”, but I depend on spell check for that.

Nobody ever got on me about it, but I knew what was expected and tried hard to get into better habits. I’m not defending anyone, just saying.

Bill is going to be here at 3 am because his flight was delayed. This is a good thing, it will mean that I’m asleep instead of sitting up with a big, heavy, cast iron skillet to use on him.

He’s in full Groomzilla mode now. When I told him that we should consider a greyhound, he thought it was a wonderful idea. He wants a big dog, greyhounds are very elegant and if we get one that matches his tux, our new dog will look great in the wedding pics.:smack:

Sounds to me like he just isn’t right.
Yesterday in the flight down from Brussels there were some women at the back who were laughing at the start and end of the flight. Note that they did not cause any kind of trouble, horse around, whatever during the flight itself: but they exploded in laughter at the start and this elder guy sitting across the aisle from me glared back and called them (they couldn’t hear) retards, filth, subhuman… along those lines. :confused: They were happy, he was a bitter old man, and his gruntings were a lot more disturbing than their laughter, which hadn’t bottered me at all.

Same when we were getting ready to debark. I probably should have asked him who’s lower in the evolutionary scale, a bitter dude who disturbs all his neighbors with language fit to make a Spanish sailor blush or a handful of merry girls :rolleyes:

The Nephew would do his exercises until he realized that he’d already “figured it out”, that the rest were “just practice”. What he didn’t realize is that “being able to finish tasks” is also an important skill. In his case, asking him whether his Dad got paid for knowing how to build houses or for building them and whether his Mom got paid for knowing how to treat illnesses or for doing it, is what worked. When you’re dealing with someone who’s extremely logical, logic is the best aproach.

I was getting all worried about whether I fit the “obnoxious newbie” profile, but I joined before the time range you mention, and CAN spell. :smiley:

What I can’t do is type in txtspk (even typing that “word” made me twitchy). Just can’t make my fingers do it.

I also have a decent amount of experience with forums in general, and in the ones I find appealing enough to join, standards of literacy and behavior are pretty consistent.

Not trying to turn this thread into a “discussion about my friend’s relationship” thread. This is my last post in here about this, promise.

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The guy’s underlying mindset actually doesn’t seem all that bizarre to me. I’m mad at him because it’s affecting my friend’s life and happiness, but it’s something that I think is all too common to a subset of young men. Okay, boys. I’ve even admitted that I was like this with my first wife. Not all men are ever like this, of course, maybe most aren’t, but I don’t think it’s such a strange notion that a lot of boys reflexively rebel by being stubborn about their own “individuality” instead of joining into a mutual unit with another person and realizing it means compromise. It’s just immaturity.

I didn’t actively set to be a stubborn bastard with my wife. I do remember feeling resentful at pressure to change – implicit or explicit – to maintain a union with someone who had liked the pre-changing me enough to be with me. “You had no problem with the person I was then, why do you want me to be different now?” So where our courtship had involved us acquiescing to each other, I started digging in my heels over the most minor things. Immature behavior, but it wasn’t something that I was able to process introspectively until after the relationship broke and I began to question myself. And I’m thankful to my wife that she was strong enough that she stood up for herself and broke things off rather than just meekly submit.

I have to admit that I still haven’t shed all traces of this. I had decided to pursue a master’s degree in mathematics out of state before meeting my last ex. We got together, even got engaged, but one of our big problems was that my plans and her plans weren’t exactly compatible, and I dug in my heels over the degree plans. “You knew I was planning on pursuing that before we even began dating, why are you calling it into question now?” :smack: I obviously still hadn’t internalized that everything that affects both partners needs to be a mutual decision, even if it means changing old plans. Perhaps I still haven’t grown up.

And a lot of these types of guys don’t even get those moments of self-reflection. I take time off between relationships, analyze, introspect, etc., and try to grow. I’m not always successful, but I do learn. A lot, maybe most, of these guys don’t take that time off. One relationship ends, another begins and the bad habits carry on until they find someone who’s meek enough to simply submit.

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But the guy is still an abusive controlling dick. He purposefully traveled to the fair to make his girlfriend submit some more. Fuck him for abusing my friend.

Plus, you’re an August, so you’re safe from the parameters of my game. :slight_smile:

I won’t mention my findings when I did it in August or September…

It goes in streaks. I can find 20 interesting threads one day and a whole week to keep me glued to the dope, then I can find a week or more full of meh.