The Kill Team Photos (WARNING: EXTREMELY DISTURBING)

Point of fact, if it matters, I copied and pasted from this very thread, I never actually opened the link, having already heard more than I can stand. I didn’t read the Rolling Stone article, and have no intention of doing so.

We are discovering something that should have been obvious for years and years. We operated under a myth, than you can take an ordinarily decent human being, soak him in blood and fear for the term on his enlistment, then muster him out, given him a couple weeks R&R, and he’s all set to go back to his civvy job in Accounts Receivable.

What we are finding, and what we should have known, is that dread and horror cut grooves into the psyche. But perhaps more importantly, it changes the chemistry and structure of the brain. Our soldiers are physically not the same people any more. Their very brains have been altered. PTSD is just what we know, it is the visible tip of an iceberg of ignorance.

I am not surprised that there is good reason to doubt that story, but in my heart of hearts, I know I wouldn’t have believed it anyway. I can’t. If I had seen it with my own eyes, I probably still wouldn’t believe it. If that’s a flaw in my character or my mind, I shrug. Got lotsa those.

As for “flowery”, well, I’ve heard that before, I could probably make a long list of different posters making the same “accusation”. I heap sarcasm and contempt upon your opinions, Nadir, because you are an asshole, my natural enemy and preferred prey. You don’t like it, tough shit, stop being an asshole. Percy Dovetonsils, I ain’t.

I have a minor gift for wordplay. Its not a virtue, its a talent, merely a characteristic. Its how, when, and upon whom I use it that makes me who I am. If you could, you would, but you can’t, so you don’t. Eat your heart out.

I don’t believe this to be the case. That’s not the way I read it, even considering the vagaries of intonation you seem to suggest.

Let him speak for himself.

Like talking about stuff you don’t even read. Did I get that right? :confused:

While you’re up, gimme a sammich and beer, and then we’ll talk about the relationship. Not now, the game’s on… (scratch, belch, scratch)…

I can think of some more things you ain’t. I’ve already espoused what IMHO you are. so I guess we are even.

Prey? HA. You’re pathetic. :smack:

Except you ain’t any good at it. And it bugs the shit out of you. (chortle)

You mean like talking out of your ass claiming an actual quote didn’t really exist because you refused to read it? I doubt you’d recognize facts or logic if they crawled up your ass and died. I still love your claim that Reagan bombed Libya in 1986 in retaliation for the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. Honestly, you’re Grade A stupid.

Hell, do that all the time! If find the best way to get informed about a subject is to watch a bunch of belligerent smart-asses fight about it. The reactions to a thing, like this article, are frequently much more informative than the thing itself.

Its like that fable about the blind guys and the elephant, one guy thinks its a big snake because he touched the trunk, one guy touched a leg, thought it was a tree, you remember? If it were on the Dope, they would have had screaming shit-fit of an argument, laying out mutually contradictory and rock-solid arguments and then, sooner or later, somebody says “Hey! Could it be, like, an elephant?”

I love the Dope. Love it to pieces, can’t get enough…

Aw, c’mon, he didn’t really say that! He’d have to be too stupid to type and breathe at the same time! Genital herpes viruses are smarter than that! Absent a cite, I demand an apology, a retraction, and a groveling kissy-kissy!

(Got your back,here, Nadir. No need to thank me…)

Well…about 22.7% of the US population is aged 18-34. If we assume a population of 300 million then there are 68,100,000 people in that age group in the US. Those 8,718 deaths are 0.01% of that population group.

Your article cites 350,000 American service members having been over there and less than half of that 8718 number killed (so I went with 4,000). That would be 1.14% of the total.

Do you always throw your shit around demanding for people to explain everything to you when clicking a fucking link would have done plenty to elucidate the situation? The OP was fine, you’re a dumbass.

No, the OP sucked ass. Look at the first five posts.

OP: Here’s a very vague assortment of words to half-heartedly describe horrible atrocities.
Rhythmdvl: Uh…care to give a basic description for those not wanting to click on graphic disturbing images?
OP: Nope. That’s all that’s needed.
Attack: Here’s a perfectly reasonable description in three sentences.
OP: That’s not the half of it!

Seriously - three coherent sentences isn’t that much to ask, especially if you clearly have strong feelings on the matter. And if you think it’s something that many people don’t want to see, then a brief description of what it actually IS isn’t that much of a burden.

I dunno, I knew exactly what it was referring to. Maybe I just pay too much attention to the news.

The thing is, I am talking about specific soldiers I know. And I don’t think they would. I have no doubt there are soldiers who would and have, and there will be soldiers who do in the future. But that doesn’t include every soldier in any military.

And, to be honest, seeing as I know these people and you don’t, I trust my opinions of them a little more than I trust yours.

Funny, that’s the same argument I’ve heard in the past from people who claimed that sort of thing never happened at all. Given the accuracy record of people who deny that American soldiers would do anything as crass as commit atrocities, I see no reason whatsoever to trust your opinion.

Very few people seem to have had a problem with it. I’m not going to explicitly describe the photos to you, or even tell you exactly what they consist of. I gave you the broad strokes. US military. Cold-blooded murder. Afghanistan. If you don’t want to look at them, or get the content via context, it’s not my problem.

Ah, I haven’t - so I didn’t have a clue. I’m glad it’s getting media exposure (not so glad that I’m apparently a moron for not keeping up!).

I didn’t claim any large group of people “had a problem with it”. There were, however, several people who asked for clarification, and/or expressed gratitude for Attack for providing that clarification. There is nothing in his post that “explicitly described the photos” or even “tell me exactly what they consist of”. Rhythmdvl specifically said “no need to get graphic” and you still effectively told him to go pound sand (but were happy to later say that Attack’s complete sentences weren’t the half of it).

If your “broad strokes” cannot consist of complete sentences, then your “broad stroke” OP suck ass.

You gave absolutely fair warning that the pictures were graphic. But you gave zero context. Attack did (by giving broad stroke complete sentences that actually provided contextual information) - problem solved. You’re taking this criticism a bit too hard - you’ll be a lot less butthurt if you unbunch those panties.

That’s certainly true. But given that I am not one “who claimed that sort of thing never happened at all.” In fact, if you look at the post you quoted from, I said:

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I have no doubt there are soldiers who would and have, and there will be soldiers who do in the future.
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So not only am I not a person who “den[ies] that American soldiers would do anything as crass as commit atrocities,” I am a person who specifically said he believes soldiers have and will in the future commit such atrocities.

What I said, though, is that gallows humor, however distasteful it is, does not mean someone will or has committed atrocities. And given my personal knowledge of the people concerned, and your lack of knowledge about them, I trust my opinion of whether they have committed atrocities more than your assumption that they have.

Unless you are making the huge assumption that every single American soldier has committed atrocities, in which case you’re just being silly.

Why don’t you go suck-start a shotgun?

Some unsavory people are attracted to the military for the chance to see combat and maybe do worse.

Watcha going to do?

I doubt better screening is an answer. What are they going to ask, something like: Is your favorite video game Doom or Call of Duty?