I’m having a bit of a problem reconciling he didn’t actually apologize, so we can’t infer guilt, it was just a lackey saying it. At the very same time, his behaviour is being excused away as the result of onset dementia. But has anyone heard that from a Dr? Just conjecture, or just some inference from a lackey?
Or are men looking for an excuse to pardon such behaviour because they have been guilty of same? How do you know how aggressive he was? You say he’s lost his filter, remember. How is it you’re willing to jump to his defence, not knowing? How does that not matter? Maybe these are all just conclusions you’re willing to jump to, to defend him.
All while saying,“But I believe her.” But…she should cut him some slack?
AFAICT nobody is suggesting that President Georgie-Porgie should be left to rot in solitary confinement or that he should be deprived of sympathetic carers who will know how to handle his inappropriate behavior. Just that he should no longer be making public appearances if he is incapable of behaving himself in an appropriate and dignified manner.
Boo fucking hoo. I, like many other people nowadays, am pretty much over this “won’t somebody please think of the molesters?” attitude.
He’s an immensely wealthy and powerful man with crowds of family and staff available to cater to his mental health. Other people should not be expected to put up with gross and inappropriate behavior from him just because it might hurt his poor widdle feefees to exclude him from the events he’s no longer able (or willing) to behave appropriately at.
And indeed, if this were any other kind of gross and inappropriate public behavior besides “mere” casual sexual harassment of women, nobody would dream of expecting people to put up with it. If, for example, he were opening his fly in front of cameras or pulling at people’s neckties or spitting on their shoes, he would be whisked out of the public eye immediately. It’s only ingrained societal misogyny that gives rise to the attitude that groping women’s bodies is somehow a more “trivial” or “natural” form of misconduct that ought to be treated more tolerantly.
Tough shit. The statesmanlike thing to do in such a situation would be to make it a teaching moment for better public understanding of dementia and sexual harassment/assault. They should make an announcement along the lines of “President Bush is unfortunately struggling with health issues that prevent him from demonstrating the level of decorum and respect he has always felt he owes to the public. It would be cruel to place him in situations where he will inadvertently fall short of his own high standard of behavior.”
Seeing one incredibly annoying twit chastising another annoying twit is pretty funny. This is kind of like watching a slap-fight between Urkel and Sheldon Cooper.
Frankly, I can’t recall how you think you might have scored on me in the past. (But I’m sure you’ll start crowing about it.) You don’t make that much of an impression beyond being highly annoying.
I don’t recall specifics right now, and can’t be bothered to look it up. But in general, I recall your issue.
What you are is an old guy whose self-esteem and sense of worth is overly wrapped around your self-image as a knowledgeable guy (possibly your life has not been successful in other ways, but that’s speculation). The thing is that you actually are pretty knowledgeable and are an asset to this board in that regard. But your problem is that as a result of your inflated self-image, you can’t accept that your limitations. So in many instances, especially involving animal life and related subjects, when you don’t know something you just bluff it. And then when someone treats your speculation as what it is, instead of the Guidance from on High that you’d like for it to be treated as, you go off the deep end.
We’ve had several interactions along these lines but again I’m not about to start searching for it. I wouldn’t be surprised if your memory is similar and you’ve just decided to adopt a pompous “above it all” stance in line with your “isn’t really worth much effort” pretense, but it’s possible that it’s actually true. But no difference either way.
I didn’t mean that he possibly wasn’t guilty of doing it. I’m saying that he might not be able to comprehend that he SHOULD feel guilty over what he did. Flunkies often automatically issue apologies without the primary necessarily knowing that anything is amiss.
I was a flunky – a secretary – for decades. I apologized for my boss many times a day: oh, Mr. X is so sorry he couldn’t get back to you! He was tied up in meetings all day yesterday. When, actually, the boss might very well have simply forgotten or not wanted to talk to him, and he certainly had no idea of what I was saying in that moment. <shrug> Just one of the ‘buffering’ duties of my job.
Well, I’m not a man, and I quite certainly have never groped any woman’s butt, or an unwilling man, for that matter. As for ‘how aggressive’ – we’re talking about a 90 year old guy who has been confined to a wheelchair for five years, and wasn’t a hulking line-backer type at any point.
And, yes, I do believe it happened as they said, and yes, I still think women could (and maybe should) use some discrimination in making complaints like this public. Look at the severity of the ‘assault’, the circumstances, was there any actual damage, threat or danger to her?, and the offender’s condition and maybe other factors.
Kimstuj the elder abuse advocate. Not surprised to be frank since the concept of nuance and critical thinking is alien to her makeup. Seriously, I half expected her to call for old people to be euthanized.
The way I see it, the Bush issue is now out in the open, and anyone who interacts with him knows what to expect. So everyone can make their choice as to whether whatever they might be getting out of meeting him - promoting their interests and/or career, meeting an ex-president, whatever - is worth the possibility of some of this type of inappropriate behavior from a 93 year old guy. I would guess many women would think it’s worth it and many would think it’s not, and everyone gets to decide for themselves.
Though it’s also possible that he and/or his handlers will be more strenuous about avoiding this type of thing going forward now that they know it can lead to very bad publicity.
I see my point was a bit too subtle for you, evidently.
Not surprising. You may well be used to that sort of thing by now. Your delusion is in thinking that other people care about your own comparable opinions.
I agree. I said earlier that he is knowledgeable in certain fields and adds to the board in that regard. My later comment was about his comparable opinions.
Again, it’s ironic that someone with little actual knowledge of biology and fond of making ignorant speculations about it is upset because I’ve called him on it at times. I can live with that.
Again, it’s ironic that someone with little actual knowledge of biology and fond of making ignorant speculations about it is upset because I’ve called him on his vacuous bullshit at times. I can live with that.