I think he molested John. At least that was strongly implied.
It also explains why John would shoot him again if he knew Michael was visiting him.
I fear it was an unsafe episode for anyone to watch with suicidal tendencies.
Yeah, me too, that was something. I was surprised when Kevin drank the poison, and then gasped when Virgil squirted out the adrenaline onto the floor and shot himself.
I can’t even guess what’s going on, I can’t wait until the next episode. Michael seemed upset when Kevin arrived and he left, and still upset when he got back, but not surprised. I don’t know what his motivation would be to help out or not interfere.
Kevin still could be okay, if Michael gets him to a hospital quickly, or if some miracle saves him like the earthquake did last time. But it is an HBO show, and he definitely could be dead, and then we’ll see how that affects everyone. And how John reacts when Kevin’s handprint comes back as a match but there’s no way to find out how he was involved.
I’m guessing that at some point, but probably not next week, Virgil ‘guides’ Kevin in the other side… which may end with Kevin be resuscitated by Michael - but maybe not.
I’d be somewhat surprised if that’s what happens, since that would be more supernatural than most of what we’ve seen on the show. Other than the departures, pretty much everything is more in the real world, or has a real world explanation. There was the guy on the pole who seemed like he could see Patti, and maybe some stuff with Holy Wayne, and with the bird that flew out of the shoebox, but having a guide in death and then coming back is a bit more. I could definitely imagine in some shows I watch where a person has to go to the other side by temporarily dying, and that they need a guide while there, but I would imagine in a scene like that, both people would drink poison and a third person would wake them up. Kevin could be resuscitated after drinking poison, but I don’t see how Virgil is coming back. And Virgil would be way too much of a magical black person if he did actually commit suicide to help this random white guy who just came to town.
It seems to me that Kevin was purposely being deceived by Virgil and maybe Michael, but I can’t think of why. They have no reason yet to suspect he had anything to do with Evie’s disappearance, and Virgil definitely didn’t have that reason when he first told Kevin he’d have to die and Kevin got a cinder block and went off to do it.
Would it? One can read it either way - that Virgil is actually guiding Kevin in killing Patti, or that it is just Kevin’s “near death” hallucinations prior to getting woken up and whether or not it actually happened would be up to the viewer to decide.
And who says Virgil comes back. He guides Kevin, but stays dead. Michael takes Kevin away so when they find Virgil’s body, there is no strange questions about Kevin also being there and it’s just ruled suicide.
But why would Virgil die for Kevin? Someone making that sacrifice makes sense when the hero has such an important goal that a side character would see that it’s worth it to sacrifice themselves, or if the hero and side character were so close and loved each other so much, that the side character would be willing to do it to save the hero. I just don’t see why Virgil would do that for someone who he’s talked to twice before. And it’s important for Kevin that he get rid of Patti, so that he can get his family back together, but I don’t see why it would be hugely important to others, especially important enough that someone would kill themselves over it.
Virgil obviously seems to know something that the rest of us don’t (or, the non supernatural explanation - he’s super intuitive). Maybe it turns out that Virgil is dying and he wants to do one good last thing. Or maybe he thinks Kevin’s goal is incredibly important since the last time he tried to kill himself, his adversary drained a freaking lake!
We saw Mary wake up and say the child would be lost if they did not get back into town, how is that possible with the absence of Robin Williams?
Did anyone watch last night? I admit my speculation was wrong, and apparently Virgil did kill himself for Kevin. He said it was for atonement, but it still seems like he’s a Magical Negro for Kevin. Although not a good one, since he gives the instructions on how to kill Patti, but Kevin’s father gives him the real instructions on how to take care of her.
It was an interesting episode. I was surprised that the show went full supernatural, I’m interested to see how that affects Kevin and Nora and others. If Kevin tells Nora the full truth about what he went though, I’m not sure how she’ll take it. Especially if Kevin mentions to anyone that he briefly saw Mary there, walking and talking.
I thought that was pretty awesome. Of course, someone can counter the supernatural by saying it was just Kevin’s dream sequence (after all, did Kevin learn anything new while “on the other side”?) and Virgil actually gave Kevin something that wasn’t exactly a deadly poison. Regardless of whatever way you look at it, the entire episode was completely fascinating. The scene in the well with Patti (actually both, girl Patti and adult Patti) was just incredible. Fantastic acting performance there.
I really enjoyed the entirely different tone of the episode as well, complete with very different music. And seeing Senator Patti, chief of staff (or at least I think that was her role) Gladys, and political operative Holy Wayne was pretty amusing itself.
I saw the episode. There were a lot of allusions and references to stuff from earlier in the season. Like the bird flying around that hotel seemed to be one of the birds that the Murphys buried. And then Patti said something to Kevin like, “Our cave collapsed.” And then they referred to that well as “orphans’ well” and I think they mentioned the aboriginal people who lived in the area.
Kudos to the writers for having the guts to go there. I’m not sure if it entirely worked for me or not, but it was at the very least interesting.
I missed Mary walking and talking. Where was she? A guest of the hotel?
It could all be a dream sequence, and just Kevin’s mind coming to grips with what’s going on. It could have been a non-deadly poison that was given to Kevin, but that was definitely a deadly bullet that Virgil took. And Kevin woke up from being buried in a shallow grave to Michael’s surprise.
I don’t know if Kevin learned anything new. Patti, Gladys, Virgil, and Mary could have just been there because of his past interactions with them. And I don’t think we’ve seen Patti’s husband, so he could be actually Patti’s husband, or just what Kevin would imagine him to be like. But I don’t remember Kevin ever interacting with Holy Wayne, so him showing up seems to indicate it’s more supernatural.
I agree, it was interesting and unexpected at the very least.
When Kevin was outside with everyone because of the fire alarm, he saw a bellhop with balloons and asked if they were for him, and the guy said something like “Is your name Mary?”. Then when they all went back inside, Kevin saw the balloons being delivered down at the end of the hall to her.
Virgil definitely did kill himself. Though, he could have deliberately given Kevin a non-deadly poison, but not told Michael. Who knows why Virgil killed himself. Maybe in the heated conversation with Michael, Michael told him that he can’t see Virgil anymore and with Erika angry meeting, perhaps he thought he had no family anymore and nothing more to live for?
But, I like the supernatural stuff, so I’m rooting for that ;).
In the S1 finale, Holy Wayne was dying in a bathroom, when Kevin came across him. He grants Kevin his last wish before he dies (which we don’t know what it is because Kevin makes it silently).
Yep. You saw Mary from a distance accepting the balloons before the GR security grab Kevin.
I loved this episode. It had just the right tinge of surrealism, rather than turning the whole thing into a crazy, nonsensical dream.
I really thought Kevin wasn’t going to pull the trigger on Senator Patti when she pleaded that she was just a double. But he did!
Then I didn’t think he’d be able to push young Patti into the well. But he did.
And then when he dove in to the well, I thought he was regretful and was going to help her (now adult Patti) out. But he ended up holding her underwater until she drowned. Jesus.
I hated alive-Patti and was kind of guiltily glad when she killed herself. But dead-Patti was entertaining and an interesting antagonist for Kevin. If she’s really gone, I’ll miss her.
I noticed Senator Patti had a line that referenced the season’s opening scene (the cave people) when she said “Our cave fell in,” regarding the day of the Departure.
Loved this episode as well. Wow, this is one of the best seasons of a show I’ve seen in a long time.
That lady who plays(played?) Patti could win an Emmy for her job this year, using this episode as her submission. Great acting.
Man that episode was fantastic. This is now the best show on TV.
Well, he WAS an International Assassin.
That was Ann Dowd and I agree she was very good and deserves an Emmy nom. I’ve seen her in several episodes of the original Law & Order, Law & Order: SVU and Law & Order: Criminal Intent., always great work!
I agree that this show, along with Fargo are the only current dramas that I make sure I’m sitting there watching, with no distractions every Sunday & Monday night. Gonna miss them in a few weeks.
Have they announced a Third Season for Leftovers yet?
That’s the $64,000 question. The ratings for Season 2 have been in the toilet, but HBO has the luxury of not caring terribly much about ratings if a show is critically acclaimed - and The Leftovers Season 2 has been that most definitely. HBO is the type of network that may keep the show around because it may win a few Golden Globes and Emmy’s.