The Leftovers season 2

Did Kevin pass himself dressed up as the Mapleton cop wearing a black hood? I would love a scene with Holy Wayne and Murphy together, talk about tension.

Let’s go down to the well and throw Patty in.

It’s such a great show! I just don’t get it. Nobody I know has seen it. Everyone I ask thinks it’s a Tim LaHaye production. Nobody has a clue what the show is really about until I explain it. Well I try, then it kinda sorta starts sounding like it really could be a Tim Lahaye production.

I’m pretty surprised how few people have seen it as well. I have HBO and watch several shows regularly and have tried Game of Thrones, but find it very dull. Yet, hordes of people adore it, are entranced by it yet none (that I’ve asked) will give The Leftovers are shot.

I don’t get people at all.

I thought I saw that as well.

I’m thinking that Kevin will make further trips to this hotel in the future, and will be able to use the wardrobe to fulfill different roles. My concern is that this will ruin the show, because we’ll lose all the ambiguity around the sudden departure and it will render several other characters’ points of view and their own storylines obsolete. I’m super worried about this show becoming Lost.

It’s true that this could have just been a psychotic episode, but I don’t want the main character to become a psychotic – it’s dull if we spend all this time in a world that doesn’t matter, and it makes it impossible to relate to him. But I get the feeling that this isn’t supposed to just be psychosis. Yes, he didn’t really learn anything new, but he was surprised to see the Magic Negro on the other side because he didn’t know that he’d shot himself. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything, but why spend an hour on this if it’s just a hallucination?

Because its a fascinating look into Kevin’s psyche? If you are on the side of hallucination, of course. It’s also ambiguous enough that it could be a hallucination or it could have been an actual supernatural experience.

I would be shocked if he ever returns to the hotel.

Yeah, that would be a Stephen King novel: Kevin would repeatedly “kill” himself to fix things in his world, but the process would tear off another piece of his soul with each trip.

Well, Liv Tyler finally got her screen time amped up with tonight’s episode.
I’m looking forward to next week’s season finale.

Any guesses of what characters (if any) won’t survive after next week?

That was utterly fantastic. The scene with Meg and Matt was just incredible - I loved that Matt, who has been shown as naive before, totally saw through Meg’s act, but Meg’s response was great. And that ending… whoa! The season finale looks like its going to be pretty intense.

It was an intense episode. It’s a little surprising how extreme Meg has gotten, even more so than the Guilty Remnant as a whole. They will stone a member of their group to death, but she will lock schoolchildren in a schoolbus after rolling an inactive grenade down the bus. (And yet, she wasn’t arrested after that?) And now she is apparently planning to blow up the bridge to Jarden, perhaps killing Evie and her friends in the process? Is the idea that Jarden will be overrun by people from the camp once the bridge is gone?

This was my take on the episode. I did not see that ending coming at all. Oh and poor, lost, stupid Tommy.

Many or most of the character on the show are lost. And Tommy is so lost even though no one in his immediate family departed. (Actually, Laurie, his mother, was carrying a baby that departed, but it’s not clear if the rest of the family even knew about the baby.) So is this typical of the rest of humanity? Are most people this lost? How does society continue to function?

Meg is interesting, with her wearing an off-white dress instead of the white unflattering sweatsuits like everyone else in the Guilty Remnant, and still talking. The other Guilty Remnant officials (or whoever that was) did mention about how they don’t target children, because that would get the authorities involved, I am surprised that Meg wasn’t arrested, but maybe it’s because she left for Jarden so quickly. I’d kinda like to see more of the Guilty Remnant officials, and how they lay down rules and coordinate things and how they plan the group’s actions.

I’m not sure what she’s planning on doing. The obvious thing at first was that she must be planning on blowing up the bridge with that silver camper fully loaded with plastic explosives, but I wasn’t sure what it means that the missing girls are there instead. Or maybe there was also explosives in there that we didn’t see. I don’t know how people will overrun Jarden if the bridge is blown up, I would think her idea is more that Jarden will be shown to be unsafe just like everywhere else, then no one will want to be there.

I don’t know if we’ve seen enough of the rest of society to see how most people are feeling. I can understand Tommy feeling lost even though no family members departed. The Great Departure was still a seismic event that would affect everyone, and their ideas about religion and the afterlife and reality.

And the show is about grief, and a lot of grieving people can still go through the motions of real life while feeling numb or lost. We’ve seen the Guilty Remnant and Holy Wayne’s groups, but I’d guess there are lots of people still living their normal lives and going to their regular jobs and everything but are also attending church more, or self-help groups, or seeing psychics, or going to weekend cult-y retreats.

I don’t know what part the explosives are going to play, but they could be used on the gatehouse in the front of the bridge - that way the bridge becomes more a ramp. I think Meg believes Miracle is a load of horseshit, but simply blowing up the bridge won’t show that Miracle isn’t a ‘special’ place. It’d just show that the specialness of Miracle even threatens the GR (I mean even people who believe the waters have magical properties probably know that people can be shits there). There has to be something else she’s planning - maybe throwing Evie and her friends off the bridge, hung by nooses (alluding to Kevin’s vision on the bridge), and allowing those kept out to rush in. It would create chaos.

I wonder what the psychic guy told Meg. He clearly knew something since he mentioned the walnuts.

I think he told her the mom’s last words were something totally banal and that partially led to Meg’s feeling that life is meaningless.

I’ve read speculation that Meg isn’t going to use the explosives, but already has used them. When she visited Jarden, she looked at the crack in the street and the audio said something about people speculating that previous earthquakes were from gas explosions or fracking or something. So she somehow worked with the ranchers and figured out where to blow things so that the precious water would drain out since the water was so sacred. That makes sense to me, it attacks what makes Jarden special more than just blowing up a bridge would.

I agree. She’d visited all those fake psychics and now traveled all the way to Texas and had spent so much time and energy trying to find out what it was that her mom was going to say to her, and it was just something pointless, like the joke she told to Evie.

The joke that she told to Evie (who then told it to her dad) is a pretty good guess for her mom’s last words. I didn’t think of that.

The only other possibility I could see would be that mom was excited to tell her all about this fancy new burial rite she just learned about where they shoot your ashes into space.

I don’t think Meg’s mom actually was going to tell her the joke. I think it was something like “My neighbors James and Denise are getting a divorce. I know you’ve never met them but isn’t that a shame?” or “I just tried this new sushi place near your work, it was so good, you should try it” or “Billy just got a new dog, some sort of terrier mix, it’s so cute.” Just some bit of average news that a mom might share, not anything earth shattering, not anything to spend lots of money and lots of time talking to psychics about. Nothing that would change how Meg viewed her relationship with her mom, or give her any sort of meaning or closure or anything. Everyone who comes to Jarden is looking for some hope or some meaning or something, and Meg more specifically than most, and so she feels even more that it’s all a scam and pointless.