This argument is in my opinion the most disturbing and upsetting. It is an ongoing debate on a subject that really has no hard evidence.
My position on the subject is: Yes there is a lethal dose.
My reason for this position is based upon first hand observance. I have watched people overdose on LSD and die. With my own eyes I have seen people die. I have literally watched people die from taking a lethal dose of LSD.
now when the paramedics arrive there were no other drugs available for a possible overdose. all the acid had been taken and metabolized.
toxicology report was: no drugs found in the blood.
cause of death: Cardiac arrest
But I was there I watched them take dose after dose after dose. I called the paramedics. there was nothing they could do.
It is impossible for LSD to be found in the blood stream after someone has died. the body metabolizes it and no traces of it are left. no toxicology test will ever find it.
that is why there are no recorded deaths from an LSD overdose. it just looks like simple cardiac arrest.
I myself have even tried going for a toxicology report while on LSD and SHROOMS. like I was tripping as they were taking the blood out of my vein. toxicology report was clean. no illicit drugs were found in the blood test.
I don’t understand why people can be so ignorant to argue that there is no lethal dose at which LSD can become.
really? there is no way to overdose on LSD? really? absolutely not the truth.
This is in reference to the suspected case, so it turns out that can test for it.
Anything else, maybe something to prove your side other than an anecdote?
Estimated lethal doses in humans is measured in the milligrams, although the best source I can find is sketchy at best (https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_dose.shtml). However, that does correspond pretty well with what I’ve heard in the past from various sources, including friends quite familiar with the drug. There is absolutely a lethal dose of LSD. It’s just that the lethal dose of LSD is so far removed from the effective dose of LSD (and indeed, the dose present in one or two tabs) that it’d be nigh-impossible to OD on it. These are tests done not after-the-fact, but rather on animals, with increasing doses to see when the rat kicked the bucket. You probably could kill yourself with LSD, if you were resourceful and really, really wasteful, but your anecdote about your friend sounds incredibly unrealistic. Is it possible it was something other than LSD?
Like maybe…cardiac arrest. Maybe it was even brought on by the acid, but that doesn’t mean that all else being equal a healthy person consuming the same amount of LSD would also have died.
Sure you did. Or maybe you just hallucinated that you decided to go to the hospital to have a toxicology report done while you were tripping.
I’m reminded of an urban legend that went around in my youth - well, actually it was mostly this one guy who kept saying it - “dude, you know the only way they can stop a bad trip is if they replace all of your blood intravenously.”
Is one hit of LSD enough to put you into cardiac arrest? I mean that is not at all what I am saying. I am well aware that a regular dose of acid is for the most part safe.
Lol no I literally went to a hospital while tripping and they could not find any drugs in my toxocology test.
How do you hallucinate like that? Seriously, though I have never visually hallucinated on acid or sh rooms to the point where I was in another world and unable to distinguish any type of physical reality.
Actually the way things went was this guy was trying to get me to do his acid and I did not want to do his acid. I’m not apposed to doing acid but at that point in time I really didn’t need it or want it. And he was trying to convince me to do it. He got on this whole vibe that I was new to the drug and that I was afraid it was going to kill me. At that point in time I had not really considered the idea that someone could overdose I just really had desire to try it. And he kept pressing the issue and trying prove to me that it was safe. He kept taking more of his acid and tripping out on the fact that I was afraid of taking LSD.
Why would you care what someone high on acid thought? When I’ve been in similar situations, after I got tired of being amused at their mental meanderings (and was fairly certain they weren’t in a dangerous situation), I’d just get them to wave their hands in front of their faces and let the resulting trails distract them while I made my exit.
I am responding to no particular person on this forum. I posted this as a means to start a discussion on a subject. People get really twisted over this subject.
I want to clarify that I am talking about a lethal dose but that is not going to stop people from getting twisted on the argument.
When I say lethal dose I am talking about a dose beyond a regular dose that is lethal. What that would be for you or me or the next person is probably going to vary.
Leaving aside the fatal dose argument, is it possible to take such a large hit of LSD that it can permenantly damage a persons mind? I’m specifically thinking of an urban legend I once heard about a teenage girl who tried ‘puddling’, licking a large dose of LSD from her hands, allegedly she fried her mind and never really came out of the resultant trip, being permenantly consigned to a mental hospital.
Yeah I’m almost certain its just one of those warning stories re drugs you tell teenagers so the don’t try them but I’ve always wondered re it.
So, opening sentence to the contrary, you’re not really responding to anything said here. Do you plan on bringing us anything other than your personal anecdotes, like facts, statistics, cites etc. to back up your claim and counter the cites provided by others?
I didn’t care what he thought. He wasn’t even a friend f mine. I liked doing acid at the time but I did not want to do his acid. And I didn’t do any his acid. Curiosity got a hold of me and I just had to watch. He sat there just dumping v i l e s into his mouth. His head started spewing green liquid. All this clear liquid started pouring out his nose. I’m just standing there with my beer in my hand with my mouth wide open in disbelief. His body went into convulsions I could hear his rib cage breaking. So he was there on the floor with veins coming out his head green liquid coming out those dark blue veins and clear liquid coming out his nose. His eyes were blood red. And I just watched him die. Honestly I did not have much remorse for the guy. But I eventually called the paramedics.
I have no idea what the point of this is supposed to be, or what the debate is, or who you think is “twisted” over this issue. Certainly not I, or anyone I know. “Doesn’t give two shits” would be more accurate. Every substance has a lethal dosage, usually varying within a wide range. No one knows what that dosage range is for LSD because it has not been widely studied, and that’s because after some initial speculation many decades ago that it might be helpful in understanding psychosis it’s been pretty much determined that it has neither experimental nor therapeutic value. So basically no one cares.
It also stretches credulity, to put it mildly, that someone tripping on LSD would go to a hospital for a toxicology test, or that hospitals do such tests on demand for no reason whatsoever.
So your thread and your whole premise seem both pointless and non-credible. If there is some kind of point, you haven’t expressed it very clearly.
I am responding to the people in this post. I might try to look up something to help support my argument. For right now I just want to let you know about my first hand experience. I know I have read accounts were people overdosed.
Well yeah this is a personal experience that I had. I don’t have the records for that instance were the dude died. Im not even trying to give my own personal records. There is no hard evidence that I have to prove to you that what I am saying is true.
All I can say is I am that type of guy that watches people o.d. and I am the type of guy that tries to see if common hospitals have those capabilities.