…I argued in one of the AI threads that the problem with Ms Marvel stemmed primarily by Marvels decisions to forgo the traditional writers-room lead Showrunner. Big post below.
I already thought she was great in The Big Sick. When I first saw that she was in this series, I thought, well she’s in this so it already has that going for it.
So (spoilers for a new Ms Marvel comic issue) the funeral issue has come out. Attending were her “normal” friends and representation from the Champions, Avengers, and X-Men, but no trace or mention of Inhumans.
Also, (spoilery link).
She’s basically the “cleaning up everyone else’s bullshit” character without the posing, grandstanding or monologuing that even Superman falls prey to.
So everyone else has the challenges and dramatic arc and character development, and she’d just the deus ex machina?
…Captain Marvel had challenges and a dramatic arc and character development.
That’s not what you said - you said she cleans up other people’s messes. What challenges does she face?
…I didn’t say that.
This twitter thread says it all best:
More at the link.
Sorry - I thought you were @gyrate.
I admit: I wasn’t crazy about the Captain Marvel film. I though it was unfocused, poorly written and poorly cast. I also thought that the film didn’t make its feminist case as well as it wanted to. I’m a man, so I may have missed several subtleties, but I never really felt they were repressing her because she was female, rather that they were repressing her because she was human. The Kree didn’t come off as particularly misogynistic - there were woman on her original team, who were treated as equals - and the Jude Law character, instead of coming across as an agent of the patriarchy, was just a standard “evil mentor” type, like Liam Neeson in Batman Begins. In other words, they could have made Carol Danvers’ character male and kept basically the same plot, with some minor changes; not that they should have, of course, just that her gender didn’t come across as that important an issue.
That said, sure, she had a character arc in the movie. I’m not arguing she didn’t have one. My problem is this: where do we go from here? We have a character who is invulnerable to everything and can literally punch through space battleships. She has no Kryptonite, no secret identity, no aversion to killing. What challenges can she possibly face?
The Twitter thread @Banquet_Bear posted is precisely my view.
As to where she goes from here: being all-powerful doesn’t mean you can do anything you want, solve every problem, or always know the right thing to do. It doesn’t mean you never make mistakes or act out in anger, confusion or ignorance. She can punch a spaceship but she still has “real people” problems.
Most people don’t have kryptonite issues. They have life issues. Captain Marvel will still have those, even though they may be on a different scale. And being responsible for multiple worlds only makes that harder.
…well that was kinda the point of my link.
Thats just how storytelling works. The X-men told a story about racism without specifically being about racism.
If you’ve seen the trailer for the next movie then you will know the challenges she will face. Everytime she or one of the other Marvels use their power, they swap. It looks like a blast.
I agree, if that’s the kind of movie they’re going to make. However, they’ll probably make some kind of action movie instead, and action movies with omnipotent heroes are inherently boring.
Maybe, but it just didn’t work for me. It wasn’t a well-written movie, in my opinion.
I haven’t seen it, actually. Sounds like an interesting idea.
From what I’ve seen of The Marvels they’re doing some wacky superhero farce where the three characters keep swapping places. As I said above, this will suit Iman Vellani well and the other two not very well.
I suspect if they made a “life issues” film it would run into the “no character arc!” claims again, because apparently character can only be developed through punching shit.
…I mean: I’m not disputing your right to an opinion. I was just answering your questions.
And here’s the trailer, open spoilers.
That’s all that’s needed.
Captain Marvel is the Marvel movie I’ve rewatched it the most, because it’s a perfect fantasy fulfillment. It’s a story about breaking free of the system that holds one in bondage. Her enslavers had her convinced her own enslavement was benevolent, and had her enforcing their tyranny upon others. And then she set herself free using her own powers. That is a powerful and engaging story, at least to me.
Unless it does.
I thought Natalie Portman was a block of wood as Jane Foster and when I found she was going to be even more prominent than ever before in Thor: Love and Thunder, I dreaded it. Then I thought she was fantastic. They just wrote her so much better in that film and it gave Portman a chance to shine both comedically and dramatically. I even bought her as a plausible action star.
Maybe the other actors will thrive in a different kind of role as well. It might surprise you. (Or it might suck, and Iman will have to carry the film, which she is good enough to do.)
I think the sapping will get solved at the very least mid movie with some hand wavy Comic Book science because you can’t have them unable to use their powers the entire film.
…you can see them all using their powers in a fight with the big bad in the trailer. They get a hit in…then they swap. It looks really cool. I’ve got a lot of faith in Nia DaCosta.