I’m well aware. That’s irrelevant to the use of “dinosaur” and “evolved” in metaphorical terms. They’ve taken on a meaning completely outside the reality of science. The metaphorical dinosaur is still wading in a swamp in the Zallinger mural, metaphorical evolution is still a line of increasingly more upright men. “Dinosaur rock” lives in a musical version of that Peabody Museum swamp.
No, I’m not. Any more than I think, say, hippos are better than velociraptors. I’m not talking about aesthetics, I’m talking about actual survival of genres. Dinosaur rock was big in the early seventies, then it got replaced. By disco, by punk, by heavy metal. The better metaphor is actually the asteroid hitting, but “extinction event non-survivor rock” doesn’t scan.
I’m not talking about opinions. I’m talking about actual market hold - something Pink Floyd just doesn’t have anymore. Yes, yes, DSotM is one of the best-selling albums of all time. That counts for little to the hordes of younger Timothée Chalamet fans who would no doubt think “Pink Floyd” is a solo artist. But “Eclipse” does have cool lyrics that fit the trailer aesthetic. And Zimmer is a critical darling and this version is very Zimmer-fied. And those are the considerations a movie producer no doubt weighs, not whether it will yank a few rock fans on a message board out of their immersion.
Pink Floyd was supposed to compose the score for the original film adaptation of Dune, by Alejandro Jodorowsky, that never got made, so to me it seems totally appropriate to use their music for this one.
But disco, punk and heavy metal also died. Does that make them dinosaurs, too? Every genre of music has its day in the sun end, just like whatever is popular now will also die, eventually. Saying that something got replaced is irrelevant; everything gets replaced.
Again, I’m not a Pink Floyd fan. I also have no problem with trailers using existing music tracks, of any genre. Unless the film is a sequel with an already famous soundtrack, trailers are always going to use music from somewhere else, and better a Pink Floyd cover than than that damn Inception music again.
No, I just don’t like you talking trash about music I like. That’s all.
Yeah, kinda. I use “dinosaur rock” because it covers a group of rock genres (prog-, hard-, Southern blues-, album-) that all died out at the same time. Just “rock” doesn’t work because punk and metal were later and others were earlier.
It’s not irrelevant to note that this particular genre is outdated, when making the point that most people won’t be drawn out of the trailer by its presence.
“dinosaur rock” isn’t trash talk. It’s a term even people who like the genre use for themselves. It’s just an evocative catch-all term for a particular group of rock subgenres that all met their end in popularity at the same time.
If I want to trash-talk it, I’d call it “fretwanking”
Getting back to the trailer…
It’s too soon to say, but the visuals look pretty good, and it looks pretty faithful to the book as well. It’s encouraging that they’re splitting this into two movies, as well.
… and if they do well, there will be two movies of Dune Messiah… then two of Children of Dune… two of God Emperor of Dune… two of Heretics of Dune… two of Chapterhouse: Dune… and of course, the Dune Prequel TV Miniseries… the animated Dune… the Dune Holiday Special…
Hee! Well, there are a lot of stories to be told in that universe…
Still, Dune by itself is a massive book, and condensing it down to 2-3 hours is kind of a stretch.
That’s my main problem with the Lynch version - it dedicates the first hour of the movie to the first 100 pages of the book, and tries to cram the remaining 500 pages into the second hour.
The Sci-Fi Channel miniseries was a much better adaptation.
Specifically Jodorowsky wanted them to do the House Atreides themes. So it fits the trailer as a tip of the hat to that legacy. AND: nothing says it will be in the actual scoreas opposed to the trailer (plus just IMO it is a very fine cover they used for this).
Which reminds me, ONE line in the trailer says “crusade”, again that does not tell us what the rest of the film’s dialog contains.
Meanwhile over in the YouTube comment sections the Usual Suspects are already going “OMG, SJW casting!” over a gigantic universe being diverse. SMH
Like I said, I love the aesthetics - but I am a bit unsure of the effectiveness of veiling the RM Mohayam. The RMs in both previous adaptations had such strong faces. As does Rampling, why hide it?
They must never have read the books. The cast is great and varied. Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya are great choices and more ‘age appropriate’ to the characters in the books than the actors in previous versions. The only real change to the characters was turing Liet Kynes from a white man to a black woman, but IMO that does not affect the story in any way.
As far a Pink Floyd is concerned- It was a trailer and I not think that the music from the trailer will appear in the movie. The music for the movie is being composed by Hans Zimmer. You just know whatever he does is going to be good.
It’s to dehumanize her, I think. When she first shows up, she’s not Gaius Helen Mohiam - she’s the Bene Gesserit establishment. My guess is that she’ll take the veil off when she speaks to Jessica.
I forgot to mention the new design for Shai-Hulud is simply frightening. The gaping leech-like mouth more closely resembles the image I had in my head.
I like this trailer very much - music, worms, dialogue and all. I really enjoyed Arrival and Blade Runner 2049, so I was already confident that the project was in good hands with Denis Villeneuve, and the trailer has only confirmed that.
