Currently speculation, but probably true.
The gesture and voice controls seem pretty cool, if they work reliably. The idea of it being an all-in-one media center is pretty nifty and I think it’s essentially an admission that the days of dedicated gaming consoles are essentially over. As another poster said, it’s a windows 8 pc with voice and motion control, that also happens to play video games.
As a PC/handheld gamer myself (who does own a 360), I can’t say I’m all that excited about it. There are just so few Microsoft exclusive games that I “must” play. I can play almost any game I want on either my 3DS or my PC. And I don’t watch live TV so all of that is meaningless to me (though I admit it’s pretty cool).
So games need to be installed. I guess console gamers won’t like that, since it’s usually number 2 on their why PC gaming sucks list.
No used games either. If you save $5 from GameStop, and have to pay MS $10, then it’s kind of pointless. We’ll see just how bad the “fees” are I guess.
Also, is it me or the damn thing huge? It’s like the size of my HTPC…
And that’s precisely what this is basically. It’s an HTPC. I might get it just for that reason alone, specially since MS has basically abandoned it’s HTPC support in windows and I’m sick and tired of dealing with their buggy media center software.
This is Microsoft saying: “Smart, connected devices like Smart TV’s and tablets are going to make consoles irrelevant in 5-10 years. Let’s get them invested in our online services now, and later sell them the same service via small black blox/smart TV”.
As far as games go, I haven’t seen anything on the new consoles that rivals the best of what’s on PC now. Which is mightily disappointing. The new Call of duty looks not much better than Stalker, a 5 year old PC game, but they want to hit 60 FPS on consoles, so it’s probably not the game to judge the next gen on.
They did mention 15 new games coming out, 8 of which are new IPs, that sounds intriguing. Though I’ll bet good money a good number of those will be multi-player free to play titles. Probably at least one MOBA/DOTA/RTS genre game too, and at least one MMO.
You are the ultimate hater my friend.
So, on the install once, pay for used front- any ideas on how this applies to householding? In other words, I’ve got 3 kids, I install the game. Will I need to pay for them to play? What about them playing online?
This is my biggest problem with Steam - so far as I can tell, I can’t let my son play a PC game I bought from them without him being logged into my account.
Just like a few hours ago, everything about used games is still speculation. Even the used game fee lives in that grey area between “said by an MS employee” and “shouted from the rooftops in a press release.”
The former means that it’s likely true, but until the latter happens, it’s useless to speculate.
double post.
Yeah, would love to designate a set of accounts as “family” so as to be able to share games. Even if playing a game not directly under your account means you need to be online, and no other account can play it. Whatever, just make it work.
The only current solution is to buy the game for their account as well. Which isn’t really a solution 
Right now, you CAN do this with xbox, right? If you log in with your account, you can play any game you’ve got a disc to, right? Does it work like that for games purchased digitally from Xbox live?
I don’t see how I’m hating. Unless not gushing about the new hardware = hating.
As I said, I’ll likely pick one up. It seems like it’s up to the task of replacing my HTPC, of course MS wants it that way, which is why they crippled their windows media center, but whatever.
If it’s a more holistic approach to a media center, cool beans.
Totally. Games from Xbox Live get installed on your Xbox and then anybody can play them. You don’t need to be connected after the initial download.
So it would be weird not to do this now I think. Though yeah, this whole, fee for used games might indeed mess this up.
The funny thing is that, I’m actually liking this thing for the very reasons a lot of console gamers are hating on it right now.
I don’t care about the games on the console, but the whole TV media center stuff sounds awesome!
Loving the angry joe post-commentary
Here’s why you’re hating…
“So games need to be installed. I guess console gamers won’t like that, since it’s usually number 2 on their why PC gaming sucks list.”
The Xbox 360 has had game installs for years. It has been a rock-solid success and I’m surprised that it’s remained optional on the PS3 all this time.
“No used games either. If you save $5 from GameStop, and have to pay MS $10, then it’s kind of pointless. We’ll see just how bad the “fees” are I guess.”
All speculation at this point. You wouldn’t accept “$2000 gaming PC” arguments from console players and that’s just as fake.
“This is Microsoft saying: “Smart, connected devices like Smart TV’s and tablets are going to make consoles irrelevant in 5-10 years. Let’s get them invested in our online services now, and later sell them the same service via small black blox/smart TV”.”
MS has been moving towards the Xbox One’s feature set since Xbox Live first launched in 2002. Like Skynet, this was inevitable. If anything, Smart TVs were reacting to the game consoles and Roku boxes that came first. And most of these dumbass media features (original video programming, movie services, video chat, ESPN stuff, live sports) can already be done on the Xbox 360.
“As far as games go, I haven’t seen anything on the new consoles that rivals the best of what’s on PC now. Which is mightily disappointing. The new Call of duty looks not much better than Stalker, a 5 year old PC game, but they want to hit 60 FPS on consoles, so it’s probably not the game to judge the next gen on.”
As far as games go, you haven’t really seen anything. Most PS4/Xbox One games are platform neutral in that they’ll also be available for the PS3, Xbox 360, Wii U, and PC. At this point, next-gen console exclusives number less than a dozen.
It’s called commentary on what’s been revealed. It seems like unless I’m saying “XBOX, FUCK YEAH!” I’d be hating.
Someone else mentioned the fees, and another person mentioned not seeing any gameplay only CGI stuff. Are they hating too?
It’s just a vibe I get. Other people are slamming the system. You’re slamming the idea of console gaming as defined by the Xbox One.
Like the game installs crack, there was no need for it, and you seem to have no idea that the Xbox 360 has had game installs for something like five years now.
You don’t see a difference between optional installs and mandatory ones?
And this:
Seems ot confirm the fees. We just don’t know what they will be.
Not especially. I don’t know any Xbox 360 that don’t already install their games because the disc drive is loud as fuck. We already think of it as required.
Like I said, it’s the difference between “said by an MS employee” and “shouted from the rooftops in a press release.” This business with used game fees was “said by an MS employee,” it was NOT announced.
A few weeks ago, an MS employee started telling people that the Xbox One would require an “always online” Internet connection. Not a one-time thing when a game is installed, but a permanent connection and if you lost it, MS didn’t want you as a customer. We now know that no such system exists with the Xbox One and said employee is out of a job.
I don’t know, what I came away with is:
In terms of a pure gaming platform I think the Ps4 wins hands down, with it’s conference… ignoring some silly stuff like the whole dancing motion BS they screened.
The xbox One is a DVR - oh, and yeah it also plays games.
Which is why I’m getting one 
I know no one who installs games on their 360.
Edit: Besides you.
The XBox twitter is saying that the fees for used games is Wrong
https://twitter.com/XboxSupport3/status/336932167127019520
https://twitter.com/XboxSupport3/status/336924786410278912
https://twitter.com/XboxSupport3/status/336953544152334337