The painful reality of growing apart

So now we know that there weren’t vows at all which, to be honest, was something that I hadn’t considered either.

On re-reading this thread, I see that you have some personal experience in this area and I am sorry for your pain. Obviously that colors your opinion. I have some experience here too. My parents got divorced when I was eight and it came as a total shock to my father. He’s still bitter over 40 years later. He got screwed but that they made vows fourteen years earlier isn’t relevant to me.

My ex-wife was the one who wanted out ten years ago. (We don’t have kids which made things a whole lot easier.) I was devastated at first but now I am so glad that she had the courage to start the conversation. We are both much happier now and very good friends.

My character? Really? That’s just delusional.

Another excerpt from an article that spoke to me (on the whole “working it out” thing):

*“There is a culture in our relationship-obsessed young women’s world that has obfuscated a dark truth: We are so overly focused on fixing our relationships that we have become completely blind to the fact that we’re in terrible relationships. We read articles and talk and think for days about how to improve ourselves, our boyfriends and the health of our relationships. We give advice and listen to stories. But all this has desensitized us to the fact that we’re just dating the wrong guy.

Maybe if we actually told our friends this, many of us would have gotten out of relationships we wasted years trying to fix. As friends, we want to be supportive and often we’re afraid of taking a stance against a friend’s boyfriend, lest he turn into a fiancé and we find ourselves at the worst table at the wedding. But it’s become so commonplace, I personally can’t keep my mouth shut anymore.

Part of the blame for this is the conventionally accepted wisdom that we’re supposed to “work on our relationships.” Today, men are expected to change: to communicate and share feelings and compromise with us women. But up until the sixties, if there were problems in a relationship, the woman had to evaluate the relationship, including the problems, because she would have never entertained the hope that her husband might change into a more sensitive, communicative man. Today, we evaluate our relationships and assume we can fix these problems because we’re told to talk things out and tell our men what we need from them. But we’ve ignored the most important part of working at relationships – determining if we’re even in the right one to begin with.

We as women have deluded ourselves into believing that if we talk things out we can fix things and then we will have just the good portion of our relationship left. I hear friends say all the time, I just need to trust him more, then we’ll be great, or once we figure out where to live, our relationship will be perfect, or he makes me so happy, except for [fill in the blank] which we’ll fix by communicating better. But there is very little you end up fixing in a relationship. Your relationship very often has the same problems two years from now that you have today. I’m not saying be pessimistic and forget about trying to work out problems. By all means, try. But suppose things aren’t fixed, is this still the relationship you want to be in? We can get men to talk with us and share more, maybe even get a manicure once before they die. But don’t let this blind you to the fact that you might just be in a relationship that isn’t right or isn’t as good as one you could be in with someone else. I’ve had to give up talking to some of my friends about their relationships because every time I get on the phone with them, they’re depressed about the same problems with the same men. And of course they can see fifty possible answers but none of them include the obvious: BREAK UP WITH HIM.

I used to think that finding the right person to be with was about finding the person in the world who makes you the happiest. And that if you achieve that feeling of such complete love and euphoria and bliss with someone, you know you’re with the right person. But it turns out, you can achieve that feeling even with the wrong person.”*

I’m didn’t post this for any particular reason, I just like to share and hear people’s opinions on things. :slight_smile:

It sounds like maybe you didn’t so much grow apart as you grew to realize you weren’t really “together” in the first place?

Bingo.

I never put pictures of us up on social media. I hide my relationship status (it says ‘in a relationship’ but not who with) as though I am embarrassed. I feel an odd discomfort when he refers to me as his girlfriend. I do everything I can to avoid sex.

It sounds insane but I didn’t even realise I was/wasn’t doing these things until a few months ago. I’ve spent so long trying to figure out what is wrong with me. Then it hit me. We’re friends and always have been friends. People would say “What’s better than being in love with your best friend?!” and I’d believe them and tell myself I was lucky and I was just being silly.

I just became so comfortable that I didn’t see it. And now my eyes are wide open and I feel stuck. So goddamn stuck.

That’s it in a nutshell. The only thing we really “owe” to each other in a relationship is honesty. And the most pain is caused by simply not knowing where we stand with the other person. He has a right to know how you feel about all this. If you’re not having sex, then he must have some clue.

To the same extent that he has no idea what’s really going on inside you, you have no idea what’s really going on inside him. For all you know he is going out to work or whatever and fending off the overtures of the love of his life out of loyalty to you.

Most mature adults would rather be in hell with the truth than in heaven with a lie. Get to talking.

Well, I’m fortunate to be in love with my best friend, and it’s great. I hope you can find that. And we have a great sex life, and I hope you find that too.

Why don’t you act on AnaMen’s advice? Did you want to just hear his words, or do you need more strength to act on them?

You’re being honest to yourself with us, and that’s a great step. You need to be honest to yourself with your BF. He can take it. It’ll hurt for him, yes, but that hurt is transitory, and the breakup might be an impetus for him to find a true relationship that works well for him.

Yes, I reread things to and I’ll have to apologize to the op. I didnt realize the circumstances like your age difference.

Again, I apologize.

Can I just say y’all are so kind. I’ve been on so many sites but you guys truly are the best. So genuinely helpful. Thank you.

Hugosvoice, if you two can afford it, you might start with couples therapy, because a good counselor may help your partner to see that he’s better off without the relationship. And might help you both understand where you stand with respect to each other. And might help you articulate truths to each other in a kind way.

My brother divorced a few years ago. He and his wife had small children and joint property. They started couples therapy to stay together, but at some point decided they both wanted to split. They continued going to their “divorce therapist” until they had worked out all the details: who had the kids when, what to do with the condo, even who would actually file for divorce. (Their state didn’t allow no-fault divorce.) I think the therapist was immensely helpful.

Just a thought.

You know, he’s a lot older and likely a tad more mature than you. Isn’t it just possible that as much in love with you as he may have been, he still went in with his eyes open? Chances are he heard a boatload of ‘these thing never work out!’ type advice as well.

All to say, there’s always a chance that, blindsided though he may be, to learn where you’re at with this relationship, part of him may have accepted at onset that things might NOT last forever. That possibility may not have stopped him from feeling it would be worth it, even if it doesn’t last forever!

It sounds like you’re beginning to own this as your choice, and that’s the first step. I think you sort of owe him the honesty to say, ‘No, counselling isn’t going to help. Save your money!’ If that’s how you truly feel, as well.

You’re doing a great job being honest with us, just be honest and open with him. Then give him some time to catch up to where you are, process it all. Don’t try to resolve it all in one go.

I think you’re going to be okay and I think you’re grappling with knowing there’s no way to avoid what’s coming. But the only way through it, is through it. I think waiting, and worrying and stressing might just end with you having an angry explosion, and that’s never a good way to start.

I think this thread is pretty good evidence that you are making progress! Just keep moving forward, baby steps if need be!

Wishing you good luck and pulling for you!

I was way off base, then. Sorry.

Well, many of us were, myself included, based on partial information and assumptions.

I’m not sure why some people in this thread are so adamant about staying married no matter what. You aren’t the ones who are stuck in the marriage. All this bullshit about “vows” and “promises” and whatnot. It’s a contract like any other. And like any contract, it has exit clauses.

Aw, thanks for saying so.

I hope your situation improves very soon.

Maybe. Maybe not. You can’t see into the future and know how someone else is going to feel.
Can you?

But we can still be all judgy, right?

21 and not married…go go go.

You didn’t even know who you really are when you started this relationship.

Also, depending upon your state, you may be considered to have a common law marriage, which may necessitate a legal divorce especially to handle the real property jointly owned.

Yes, 21 is much too young to be making a decision about a lifetime relationship. I could barely make a decision on what beer to drink at that age.

It’s really not a surprise that things aren’t working out. Go in kindness. He may not be all that shocked.

Indeed. Vows, oaths, contracts, whatever. Whether you believe in a religious oath or a purely secular one, the marriage contract, at least the one I remember pledging to in NY, indicates that your signatures on the license indicate your acceptance of the covenant and all of its bylaws. And…fidelity is either explicitly or implicitly mentioned, as it is a legal grounds for Divorce, so it can’t be discounted. Another bylaw is the pledging of half of one’s worldly goods. I definitely remember the exact words, cause that freaked me out a bit!

My religious vows indicated that my agreement bound me till death. I entered into this agreement of my own volition, and accepted all its preconditions…for better or worse. But it was entered (at least for me) with the best intentions…if things change. They change, and one deals.