The possible Oxford vaccine

There was a large article in the New York Times about this yesterday, but here is a non-paywall article: Good News on Oxford Vaccine Is Bright Spot in Somber Covid-19 Landscape | Barron's and here: Oxford scientists say a coronavirus vaccine may be widely available by September - CBS News
This lab at Oxford University had a head start on a vaccine because they were doing research on other similar coronaviruses. They are now starting phase 2/3 human testing on thousands of people. “scientists say they’re hopeful a coronavirus vaccine will be widely available by September”

This would be a game changer if true! An Indian firm is starting to mass produce the vaccine as a kind of gamble. If it is proven effective and the Indian firm has already made millions of doses, they will stand to make a ton of money by having it already on hand. But if it turns out to be a bust, then all their money goes down the tubes.

This may be the New York Times article you referred to, and this one is about Serum Institute of India (the Indian firm you mentioned) and the vaccine it’s producing. The Times is providing free access to coronavirus coverage, so both articles should be readable by anyone.

BTW, my guess is that the 2021 Nobel Prize in Medicine is going to whoever is responsible for a successful vaccine.

Here is an interview with a virologist from Oxford.

and the transcript.

While Oxford university are treating this as a public health matter and don’t look to make any money out of it, I am sure there are a plenty of businesses waiting for the opportunity.

The testing seems to depend on waiting for the volunteers to be exposed to Corvid in the community. That part could take a long time. I guess they chose volunteers who work in areas where exposure is likely and the protection inadequate. At the moment that seems to be in Care Homes for the Elderly.

Excellent news, even if only hopeful. I predicticted we’d have a vaccine for health workers by early fall. If we get one for the at risk population by September, that would be fantastic!

Whenever I see the words “game-changer” I duck and cover. Sure, it might work! Sure, give people hope! But I foresee many dashed hopes. This prospective vaccine and many dozens more have no guarantees. I also foresee more desperate folks self-medicating with Xquines, bleach, antacids, Drano; sticking hands in rigged microwave ovens; and whatever else sweeps social media and official disinfo briefings and tweetstorms.

Did monstrous media hoopla surround development of polio vaccines? Were hopes raised and dashed?

No. Nobel prizes are awarded for work done many years before.

Sure, that’s been the practice for a long time. But I think in this case, the committee will make an exception, and it would be correct to do so. (Plus Alfred Nobel’s actual will says, “prizes to those who, during the preceding year, have conferred the greatest benefit to humankind.” Certainly the person or persons who come up with a vaccine for this thing will deserve it.)

Hell, they didn’t even give one to Jonas Salk. Ever.

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The UK Health Secretary has announced that Astra Zeneca have signed a deal with Oxford University to take the vaccine to scale - if it works, I presume.

Ah, the press release.

Yes, the press are all over this. The labs that are developing the vaccine need a large scale manufacturer to be lined up to mass produce it once it has cleared the testing and regulatory hurdles. There are a limited number of companies that have the experience and capability to manufacture vaccines in volume.

I would guess that all of the hundred or so labs developing a vaccine would need to have such an arrangement in place.

There is a lot of very optimistic estimates of how long it will be before a successful vaccine is rolled out.

But human trials take time.

The Jenner institute in Oxford is named after Edward Jenner who demonstrated a vaccine for smallpox in 1796. His human trials involved deliberately infecting a subject with smallpox after vaccination to prove it worked. Not an approach that would be considered ethical today.

I believe common flu vaccines are tested in this way with paid volunteers. But Corvid-19 is a new virus so I imagine the risks to volunteers are too high and they must wait patiently until volunteers are exposed to the virus in the community. That will take time.

I expect there are parts of the world where vaccine tests are not troubled by ethical qualms. They may well win the race. Goodness knows there are enough politicians around the world who desperately want to trumpet that they have developed a successful vaccine.

The nationalist politics seem to have created an international Corvid vaccine race. Who is gonna win? US, China, UK… There is a long list of competitors.

The politics around this pandemic is very depressing.

Maybe they will get a Noble prize! Sorry, just being sarcastic. :dubious:

This is where, in a movie, hardened prisoners on death row would volunteer to get infected and test the vaccine.

I for one do not want a vaccine against crows. I think they’re lovely birds.
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Sure they’re fine, lovely even, one at a time, but get a group together and you’ll have a murder on your hands.

There have been some rumblings of such human-challenge trials being considered here:

The Coronavirus Vaccine May Have a Shortcut: Infecting Volunteers https://nyti.ms/2yeAUIT

I am surprised that these ethical issues related to vaccine testing have not been more widely discussed in popular press which is unrelenting in its coverage of Covid-19.

I guess they are waiting for some politician to stir up a controversy. :dubious:

Good luck to them, but the hoopla smacks of desperation. And I hope they don’t cut corners dangerously or we could have another thalidomide-style disaster on our hands.

As I understand it the Oxford vaccine volunteers are generally medical staff and care workers who are come into contact with the virus in their day-to-day lives.