The Psychology of Message Boards (a bit long)

I just find this interesting. These are such a new kind of community. What intrigues me is (a) why my first mild rebuke on a message board felt SO bad, (b) how real or unreal the community is perceived to be, and © Opal, let it go.

(a) is pretty simple. I posted for a while. Felt accepted. Someone called me a doofus or something, and I really got hurt by it, probably far more than I would in real life. My theory - and I’ll try to explain this as clearly as I can - is that I actually got a bigger, quicker social “buzz” from the board, for a lot less effort and input, than in a normal daily group relationship which is influenced by how I look, body language, etc, and so the first sting of realising these disembodied voices were actually just as flawed as everyone else, and I no different, was a real shock.

(b) How real is it? Is it easier to make friends here than in a pub somewhere? Does it take less self-esteem to start a thread than to try and start a conversation with strangers elsewhere? In another sense: how hard is it to lie? There have been examples on this board recently too, and I don’t want to say anything else about that situation because I don’t want to stir it, but as a younger guy I used to tell an awful lot of whoppers in real life, because I was painfully marginalised socially and felt I needed as much help as I could get. I suppose that kind of thing starts at school (“well, MY dad’s a ALIEN!”) and sometimes hangs on, maturing a little perversely, when adolescence proves more challenging. A lot of people go through things like that and while I was mercifully plucked from the sludge, many others go on with it, because it’s just easier. It makes them feel safer, more attractive etc., and is generally agreed to become a very serious problem in later life. So are we more attractive on the boards? Not just the SDMB, because there’s an undeniable transfiguration of beauty and charisma which happens to people as they first sign up here, but on others? In chatrooms? Is it easier to believe the good people say about you and ignore the bad 'cos it’s just a computer? Many folk here feel there’s a genuine community - I certainly do. I can see honest friendships growing up here, and a lot of folk meet in real life, but the meetings are in some senses secondary to the business of the boards. Where exactly are we when we meet here? Am I still in Glasgow? And if not, who just fed my cat?

Lastly… I didn’t want to post this as a separate thread because it’s really pretty banal, but… if anybody wants a laugh, I really recommend the message boards for RebelAct’s new game Severance: Blade of Darkness. Search a bit for questions about the bar. It seems spoiler questions have been getting posted in the GQ section so much, and the place is so unmoderated (the only mods are the game designers themselves, so I guess they didn’t expect the board to take off as it has), that the responsible citizens of the board have taken it upon themselves to invent some entirely fictional and hilarious accounts of semi-believeable game secrets, which then drive people INSANE. It has grown and grown, and some of the fake secrets are told in so confusing a style that they have to be read to be believed. It’s starting to get a little cruel, though, so most of the original jokers are owning up. It’s amazing how people will believe what they want to believe, though, even when the person they heard it from openly denies it. A fascinating study in the psychology of these boards. And in the distribution of free time to the middle income bracket.

Well, I laughed. I have been on nightshift, mind you.

Ahem I in no way condone the posting of fraudulent game secrets or otherwise deceitful material on the internet for purposes other than if it’s going to be REALLY funny… I mean, other than the promotion of democracy and clean living.

Great post, Ross. I can’t add much, I’ve just wondered the same things.

(a) I think you’re right on, in that the quick & easy “social buzz” leads to a more distilled type of communication, including one’s response to being rebuked. Could it be also that IRL people are not as likely to be so forthright? After all, we are probably not used to being rebuked or flamed IRL as can happen here. Also, of course here on the boards your rebuke is witnessed by the Teeming Millions… not as likely IRL.

(b) While people certainly do build relationships online, I don’t think they are on the same plane as IRL friends. I know others would disagree, so I’ll just posit that as my personal experience. (I don’t use the term In Real Life without reason!) It’s easy to post a nice sympathetic response to a person in crisis here on the boards. It takes much more effort & messiness to do so in person. A friend of mine is going through a series of messy surgeries. I visit him in hospital, bring him groceries, & have taken time off work to drive him to physical therapy sessions. How much easier to sit here & write “aww man, I’m SO sorry, {{{hugs}}} I feel your pain. Email me!” IMO that’s not real life. Real life is I & other friends of his drive to his house on a snowy morning at 6am to rub his swollen legs, or spend time at the hospital with him doing whatever makes him feel better, from chatting, to holding his hand & helping him take a shit.

One more thing. I do think most people here are honest about who they are. I try to present myself pretty much the same here as I do in person. I think a poll would indicate many regulars here feel it easier to communicate & chat online because they are somewhat shy & reserved in person. Last year I went through a terrible depression, & found myself visiting here more often than usual, while ignoring all my friends. Now I’m “out of the tunnel” this place isn’t as interesting, though I often check in in the mornings before going out & staring my day. SDMB certainly is a community, though!

[hijack] PS: You’re in Glasgow? I graduated from GSA waaaay back when. Was there last year, will be again this Christmas. That city has changed a lot since 1979! This year I’m going to walk along Sauchiehall Street & try to find some old haunts. Is Paddy’s Market still there? Lord I loved that grimy place. [/hijack}

Ross said: “These are such a new kind of community.”

Well…I’ve been getting on bulletin board systems via modem since 1984 or -85 (honestly not sure which any more). I’ve been talking to people around the world on them since. It’s not as new as a lot of people seem to think.

I have noticed something I call “Internet time.” It flows a LOT more quickly than real time. If you get together at a pub with some friends, and one of them says they’ll call you in a few days…say, you went on a Tuesday…it’s no big deal if they don’t call 'til Friday. However on the Internet, if someone says they’ll email you and you don’t have it in a couple of HOURS - especially if it has to do with a relationship or something else emotionally charged - it feels like you’ve been waiting for DAYS.

I don’t particularly get my feelings hurt on these things. I’ve been called to task on more than one occasion. The thing is, while people are fond of saying, “You know, there is a living, breathing person on the other side of the screen!!” it’s also a fact that not all of the living, breathing people on the other side of the screen are going to like, approve of, or even acknowledge me. A lot of people can’t handle that. If everyone doesn’t at the very least APPROVE of them, they let it get to them. They get depressed…they wonder what they did wrong…they defend themselves left and right. Whereas if I were on the street and some random yaboo yelled, “You have a fat ass!” it wouldn’t effect me in the least way.

There’s a fine line between relishing the humanity of people online, and going overboard. This is not coherent at all…but I’m not gonna go off on a neurotic “EVERYBODY HATES ME!!” rant if anyone tells me so.

And yes, friends can be made on here. It’s easier than real life in one way, because there is a MUCH larger pool of candidates for friendship from which to pull. It’s also mosr risky, because you don’t REALLY know anyone until you’ve hung out with them in real life for a while.

I have a couple of middle of the road ‘friends’ I’ve made on here, several acquaintances, and once real dyed-in-the-wool FRIEND. That’s better than my track record IRL in the same amount of time, so I am pretty content.

Ross, because you are human :slight_smile: You are in a board with a lot of intelligent people. The smart people called you stupid. It sucks. Given a choice, people would rather be liked and respected than avoided and laughed at.

(b) how real or unreal the community is perceived to be,

I think it’s half very real, half disembodied. Yes, it is faster to be “accepted” on puter. Walk into a bar where there is a large gathering of strangers at a table, pull up a chair and jump into the conversation. [insert flounder voice] “You guys playing cards”?[end flounder voice] It just doesn’t go over well. However, at the same time, people on the puter can “bump” you just as fast, for the same reasons of how you look, your beliefs, etc… Not being accepted sucks in either situation for a lot of people.

There is also a convenience to the puter. I just moved to a new area and don’t know many people. With work schedules, kids, etc, it’s hard to go out and make new friends. But it doesn’t take planning, money, babysitters, etc to sit down at my monitor for an hour or so and talk to other adults. Plus you can talk about things here that you just can’t do easily IRL. IRL, if I talk about wines, cooking methods, group sex, I am a pretentious snob who happens to be a slut. On here, I just have some knowledge about wine and cooking while happening to be a slut. Also, the area we moved to is a very high brow and upper crust neighborhood (found that out later) so it’s even harder to gain acceptance… (what country club are you in? Do you know so and so? etc…)

There’s still the same IRL stuff in here though too. Not many people will tell you up front about their “real” opinion of you if it’s bad. But when you do hear it, it can sting. I’ve heard that there have been some very interesting and rather uncomplimentary things discussed about me in the chat room by people who don’t know me at all (interestingly enough, it’s all been about my appearance and my not being shy about it and those who condemn that are many who stress the importance of not judging by appearance). Welcome to human nature. I shrug it off though, as if I can make just one friend here, it’s worth my time :slight_smile: I wish people would get to know me before passing judgement, but I’m also a realist. It happens. Real life or on a puter, someone is not going to like you. Nobody is a perfect person. Whether live or memorex, everyone knows someone that they will tolerate, but will never call them up to go out drinking. Being slighted or attacked stings, but that’s life.

Liars? Well… again, such is life. It is much easier online to be the person you wish you really were, or to hide who you really are, but the truth eventually comes out. I’ve been using chat rooms and the like for many years and have a pretty sensitive bullshit meter in addition to a very good memory. It’s pretty easy to find inconsistencies and such. Just like people IRL though.

I’ve made many friends on the puter, some of which developed into real meetings. Most of those people are now some of the best friends I’ve ever had, simply because there was an honesty and level of openness that can’t happen IRL without a very long time period. One, who finally found his way in here, vidadcolek, is one of the most natural and wonderful people I’ve ever known. If we’d just ran into one another in a pub a couple years ago, we would still simply be accquaintances, rather than best of friends, I’m quite certain.

The puter is like IRL in many ways. It’s what you make it and what you use it for. I’ve always felt that the puter was simply a “fast track” to knowing people. People are more open on it, so if they get burned, they will cast you aside more quickly because of that. Yet at the same time it can be much more difficult to be accepted, or get back to a good side once you are put at arm’s reach on the puter because, as you’ve said, there is no body language, voice tones, etc. Just be yourself and go with it.:slight_smile:

Hey Ham… You got a fat ass!!! :smiley:

(note : fixed Quote tag - Euty)

[Edited by Eutychus55 on 03-31-2001 at 10:24 AM]

I am much more attractive online than I am in real life, just wait until I get around to submitting a picture of myself and you’ll see what I am speaking of. :slight_smile:

The relationships we experience here can be as real as the relationships we experience in real life. The people you meet are real people just like you with human wants, needs, and failings. We want to be accepted and have our voices heard, our motives for speaking may be different but no-one would set their fingers to a keyboard if they knew no-one was going to pay attention would they?

There are those that will misrepresent themselves but that happens in real life too.

Quite a few of the people we have met here have become good friends in real life. I know people who still don’t understand this phenomenon that is the internet but I have hope they might get it eventually.

The only way to handle flack is not to answer it, but to back off for a week, a day, or whatever you can muster. When you go back to a thread after no one has posted in a day, it seems like ancient history, no matter how many losers have chimed in to mock you. Their power to irritate goes away, just like the shocking headline of yesterday’s newspaper. Ever pick up a paper off a bus seat or park bench and realize it’s a day old? Even if it’s a paper you don’t get, you can’t find the enthusiasm to read it like normal, but just to skim.