The Right Wing Paranoids Are Right Again

[elucidator]

If all men are brothers, who cares if he thinks he’s my sister? Besides, if you squat to pee, you get time to check your text messages!

[boytyperanma]

@Bricker

I think the response to the OP is, for the most part, deliberately myopic.

First let’s separate the merits of the OP’s claim from the merits of the underlying issue. The OP is obviously not a fan of treating transgendered individuals as having the gender they are, as opposed to the gender assigned them at birth. That’s unfortunate, but it has nothing to do with his inartfully – ok, downright ignorantly – phrased summary of the current situation and how unlikely this would have appeared to an observer in 2008.

So let’s imagine that a poster on this board had said, in 2008, “I think I’m going to vote for John McCain over Barack Obama. They’re really about equal in my eyes, but the one thing that really tips me towards McCain is my concern that if Obama gets in, by the end of his time in office, his administration will threaten to withdraw federal funds from any school that forces transgendered students to use the restroom appropriate to the gender they were assigned at birth. I strongly oppose that, and so I won’t be voting for Senator Obama.”

Does anyone truly contend that the bulk of replies to that poster would have been that he was mistaken? Many people might have said, “I WISH that would happen, but it never will, or at least not in the next four or eight years.” I doubt you’d have found anyone who would have agreed that this outcome was likely, and no one who would have acknowledged that the concern was realistic.

That seems to me to be almost undeniably true.

And of course the answer is: yeah. So what? The last eight years have been a social sea change for the rights of non-mainstream people when it comes to sex and gender. It’s true that even those who wished it would happen didn’t think it would.

But that wasn’t out of some concealment of some master plan. It just happened that society’s view took a tremendous leap in the prior eight years, one that no one saw coming so quickly…but many people expected would come eventually.

Look at that, you saw a ‘horrible person’ under attack in a thread and opted not to defend them!

Overall a good post.

[TroutMan]

@Fotheringay-Phipps

Scalia did not claim that such claims were contradicted etc. as you said. Scalia predicted, in his dissents to those earlier opinions themselves, that the reasoning used in those majority opinions would later be used to legalize gay marriage.

So your point is that Scalia predicted something that was a reasonable conclusion for most people to make. Well that’s…totally mundane and uninteresting. Was there some larger point you were trying to make?

[wonky]

I predict that the next time the Supreme Court issues an opinion about a constitutional matter, they will quote the Constitution. BOW BEFORE ME, O YE OF LESS FORESIGHT!

[Una_Persson]

@carnivorousplant

Is this intended to help people who are going to have a sex change operation, and are experiencing what it is like to be of a different gender on a day to day basis?

To help us live, work, play, and be good human beings as our true mental gender.

How many transgender folks are there in high school?

Between 0.1% to 0.7% might be the best estimate. At most high schools I lecture at or work with, the student population is around 1,000, and there are often about 5-10 transgender students, with another 5-10 who are gender non-binary, agender, genderfluid, or otherwise non-cisgender.

[wolfpup]

@QuickSilver

Why is it that the same people who bitch endlessly about gov’t over-reach, are consistently the same people that can’t to seem to mind their own fucking business about what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms and bathroom stalls?

It’s a special kind of cognitive dissonance. Republicans favor any kind of government regulation if it serves their agenda, like LGBT-phobia, even if it means an oppressive society that polices their personal morality. Republicans, however, vehemently oppose any kind of government regulation on things opposed to their agenda, even if it means an oppressive society run by and for the plutocracy.

Republicans support both of those forms of oppression simultaneously because they love Freedom™.

At least libertarians – much as I disagree with everything they stand for – are consistent.

[carnivorousplant]

@QuickSilver

Let’s say you’re right and it’s statistically insignificant.

I didn’t say that, I asked how many there are. I am surprised at five to ten, posted above.

[carnivorousplant]

@TroutMan

I’m not sure what you’re asking in that first part. Transvestites are not transgender people “trying it out” before they undergo surgery. Many transgender individuals never undergo reassignment surgery.

Transgender does not refer to people who have had surgery to alter their genitalia?
I’m obviously uninformed on the subject. That is why I am asking questions.

[carnivorousplant]

@Kyrie_Eleison

Dammit, Plant, we’ve already covered bestiality!

Hey, if we can make a couple of bucks, and this guy can make picks.
Just sayin’.

[carnivorousplant]

@DrCube

Is what intended to help what??

Is it your belief that the NC bathroom law only applies to high schools? Or that it doesn’t apply to “true” transgender folks (whatever that means), but only those curious, potentially trans people dipping their toes in the water, so to speak?

And there are quite a few transgender high schoolers, for your information. But even if there were only one, their uniqueness would be no excuse to treat them like shit.

Have you considered not being hostile and answering questions? I obviously don’t know what transgender means. I am asking.
Is it a guy just feels girly today and wants to use the women’s rest room?
Thanks for your help.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

@carnivorousplant

Have you considered not being hostile and answering questions? I obviously don’t know what transgender means. I am asking.
Is it a guy just feels girly today and wants to use the women’s rest room?
Thanks for your help.

This is a staggering level of not knowing, to the degree that it’s hard to take seriously. If you’re curious, have you tried googling? Have you tried reading any of the three hundred threads on the Dope about the subject?

[wonky]

@carnivorousplant

Have you considered not being hostile and answering questions? I obviously don’t know what transgender means. I am asking.
Is it a guy just feels girly today and wants to use the women’s rest room?
Thanks for your help.

Oh bullfuckingshit.

[mhendo]

@carnivorousplant

Have you considered not being hostile and answering questions? I obviously don’t know what transgender means. I am asking.
Is it a guy just feels girly today and wants to use the women’s rest room?

The second line of your post completely belies the first. It suggests not just regular ignorance, but willful ignorance, with a liberal measure of scorn and derision.

Had you just posted the first line, it MIGHT have been possible to take seriously your assertion that you’re really asking questions, rather than actually JAQing off in the thread.

But the second line makes clear that you’re more interested in ridiculing transgender people than in actually learning about them.

[Sitnam]

@wolfpup

Republicans support both of those forms of oppression simultaneously because they love Freedom™.

At least libertarians – much as I disagree with everything they stand for – are consistent.

Libertarian philosophy can be consistent and yet I’ve never met a believer that was, you just need to let them talk more to prove it.

[Bryan_Ekers]

@Gyrate

Well, I was going to marry my giant tortoise but everyone said I was clearly just a golddigger after his money.

So is it true what they say about turtles?
Do they go all the way down?

[carnivorousplant]

@mhendo

The second line of your post completely belies the first. It suggests not just regular ignorance, but willful ignorance, with a liberal measure of scorn and derision.

Had you just posted the first line, it MIGHT have been possible to take seriously your assertion that you’re really asking questions, rather than actually JAQing off in the thread.

But the second line makes clear that you’re more interested in ridiculing transgender people than in actually learning about them.

I don’t know a damn thing about it, and asked for an explanation.
Thanks for you help in fighting ignorance.

[Der_Trihs]

@Bryan_Ekers

So is it true what they say about turtles?
Do they go all the way down?

Sure, but that beak is really uncomfortable.

[John_Mace]

@carnivorousplant

I don’t know a damn thing about it, and asked for an explanation.
Thanks for you help in fighting ignorance.

Spend a few minutes on wikipedia. Transgender.

[Sitnam]

@carnivorousplant

I don’t know a damn thing about it, and asked for an explanation.
Thanks for you help in fighting ignorance.

Willful ignorance cannot be fought. So, I guess we’ll see.

[Kobal2]

@running_coach

I am saying right now that something bad will happen in 2024.
Heed my words.

Oh shit ! We need to prepare ! What can we do to prevent A Bad Thing from happening ?!