The real problem is that there is no such thing as “gender identity”. That’s a meaningless, politically correct buzzword designed to cover up the fact that the people involved have severe mental issues which require psychiatry instead of surgery. Now we are all being told that the mental disconnects are suddenly quite normal. And of course, anyone who bothers to point this out will immediately be called homo-phobic, trans-phobic, etc.-phobic by those who can’t be bothered to look at the reality of the situation.
You really need to admit that you’re intellect-phobic.
Its part of the concerns over a slippery slope that were expressed by the anti-gay folks when gay rights were being discussed from the military to gay marriage.
For the record, I am nominally on the pro-gay marriage side. I won’t march on washington over it but i will vote for it.
Are you saying that the left has always been saying that transgender rights were next as soon as they got gay marriage taken care of?
From a liberty and rights perspective it is a good thing but from the conservative perspective it may indeed be a negative thing.
In the long run we are going to figure out a way to respect the rights and privacy of all people but that does nothing to address the argument that the the Op is presenting that gay rights started us down a slippery slope.
Are you arguing that progress on gay rights has not had an effect on the viability of transgender rights? Or are you saying that it was clear to everyone from the start that gay rights was going to lead to transgender rights?
There were certainly people telling conservatives that they were making false slippery slope arguments including arguments about transgender rights which were much less popular than gays in the military when all this got started.
I love it when morons like yourself try to justify your bigotry by making reference to a field that overwhelmingly tells them they’re wrong.
Clothy, psychiatrists who have spent years and years studying the subject say that gender identity is real, and that transitioning is the proper treatment for gender dysphoria. You’re a guy who gets kicked in the head for a living, and you say it’s not.
Why would anyone listen to you over them?
You make it sound like getting gay rights recognized was a walk in the park. That everyone was jumping onto the gay rights bandwagon as soon as it rolled out of the depot. That is not my recollection.
My recollection was that it took a LOT of education and discussion to get the American public to the point where it would accept gays with critical skill sets to help us fight a war. It took a sustained effort to get gay marriage and I suspect that if the people pushing for gays in the military trumpeted that they would then be pushing for transgender rights, then it would have taken longer than it did.
Right, and I’m the one filled with contempt and hatred? :rolleyes:
I generally agree with this. It took the plight of honorably serving gay men and women in the military to get us off our asses on gay rights.
IIRC they won an election cycle or two before they lost. I still remember Karl Rove using this to win a few elections by driving turnout.
Your statement confuses me. A slippery slope implies one event (transgender civil rights) must inevitably follow another (homosexual marriage). A slippery slope need not be negative as DrFidelius states, you could argue work place equality for women would involve legal protection for equal pay AND THEN paid maternity leave.
It’s the ‘concern’ you use that is strange. What concern do you have of this slippery slope since, as you say, you are nominally pro-gay marriage?
You may be OK with the eventual course history would take but how do you think the voting public at the time gays in the military would have felt if they knew that there was a slippery slope between gays in the military and transgender rights?
Once you recognize that gay people exist, I personally don’t understand the opposition people feel towards transgender bathroom use. After all aren’t gay men using bathrooms with homophobic straight men? Aren’t lesbians using the same bathrooms as homophobic straight women? AFAICT transgender people don’t usually feel a sexual attraction towards people they want to share the bathroom with.
Why don’t you put down your ideology for a second, go read the DSM V entry (or a summary thereof) on gender dysphoria, try to think like a medical professional for a couple of minutes, and then get back to us.
I suppose they would be free to vote their conscience. Much like they did when bathrooms and water fountains for the coloreds were being integrated. I have the sneaking suspicion that a non insignificant minority is still not over that one.
From your mouth to…
You’re in for a looooong wait. Clothy has trouble thinking like a piece of medical equipment, much less a professional. Although he does do a mean impression of a bedpan.
He meant it in a cautionary way, to show what a handbasket society would find itself in as a result of the majority decision. The prediction wasn’t mundane and neutral, not at all.
I think the broader point is that, after a frustrating period where the regressives have had some success in holding us back, we are now back in a period where we are looking for wrongs to right, and we are succeeding. We are rapidly improving as a decent society once again.
Too long.
Can someone please boil the issue down to a few phrases I can repeat to myself while I wring my hands and rock back and forth?
No, I don’t make getting gay rights recognized sound like anything because I never fucking mentioned getting gay rights recognized. Neither did you, so it wasn’t even a subject implied by what I wrote.
That’s what I got from your post, aye.
Yahoo’s “best answer” on if gender identity is real gave a satisfying(imho) explanation of the science of how men can have have unmasculinized brains and how it all develops when one is a fetus. I recommend reading just the first few pragraphs the author goes off the rails after that.
Considering the severe mental disconnects you regularly display here, this is highly ironic.
But I doubt a psychiatrist could help you.
Absolutely nothing of the sort has happened and you’d have to be willfully ignorant to imagine it has. This is why it’s impossible to consider the Republicans adults in any sense of the word other than the grossest physical ones, which must be why they fixate on those senses so assiduously.
You give aid and comfort to those who murder people for absolutely no reason. You’re equivalent to the people who defend the morality of child abusers and rapists. Your party is dying and the only regret any sane person has is that it isn’t dying quicker.