WTF? Why are all the replies getting bolded in this thread?
its a sign from God
Re the second coming (OP), all end-time scenarios I have seen – and I’ve seen a lot, though certainly no one has seen them all – are created from a process of piecing together scripture from various parts of the Bible, usually both OT and NT.
Invariably (again, refering only to the scenarios I’ve actually studied) this process requires (1) ignoring a certain amount of relevant scripture (similar references, keywords, topics), and (2) recontextualizing certain passages in such a way that clear implications as to their original intent become obscured (as with Revelation 3:10 mentioned above).
In order to get a clear picture of Biblical doctrine regarding the Second Coming, Judgment, the Tribulation, the Anti-Christ, etc., here’s what I recommend: Collect all Biblical references to these issues and jot down a few notes re their implications so you don’t forget. Then put them together and see if a clear, consistent chronology is created.
I don’t see any reason why this process wouldn’t answer these questions. In the absence of having done this work, knocking around ideas supported by isolated bits of verse can’t be expected to get you anywhere.
This might be a good project for Necro Romancer or Vanilla. Takers?
**Is God still putting things in bold?
Heh. The bold is actually Diogenes’s fault. He tried to close a bold tag with an italic closer up in post #73. I’m reporting it so that a mod can fix it.
**Sorry about that.
Oh my dear, I so struggle with your opinion; your sarcasm and your humor…am I being redundant? 
So Diogenes is god?? 
:lol:
Diogenes is God?
I Knew it!
I’ve been trying to tell people God is NOT a republican!!!
You know vanilla, much of the interpretation of the book of Revelation is based on the assumption that it was written by a companion of Jesus 60 years after his death. There is no proof of that, however the date of writing is very significant since the prevalent assumption of that date among Christendom precludes the possiblity that the second coming has already occured. Furthermore it would appear to contradict Christ’s own words as quoted by Matthew
Now what is striking to me is that if you choose instead to believe that the book of Revelation was written sometime in the late sixties (30 years after the death of Jesus) then the horrible destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE can be eerily considered having been predicted by Jesus and quite significant in that it spurred the spread of this Jewish phenomenon to the whole world !
Of course much of our speculation on the interpretation of Revelation has to be revised if we are to accept Jesus at his word
Total agreement on the first sentence. RE the 2nd sentence, many Orthodox Jews will disagree (have Zev or CM opined on Hell?)- OJ stances on Gehenna vary from Eternal Damnation to Annihilation to Temporal Punishment concluding with Reconciliation.
Vanilla- not a typo but perhaps a mistranslation, the NT passages describing Hell as eternal/everlasting use the word “aionion”, which can mean aion-enduring (a temporal reference) or “for ongoing aions” (an eternal reference). I believe in Hell but I also believe that in the Love of God, those in Hell will either be allowed to burn themselves out or, if reconciliation is possible, to return to Him (the ONLY “eternal Hell” interpretations which make any sense are “eternal self-willed exile” a la CS Lewis or “eternal resistance to God’s Love” a la Eastern Orthodoxy.)
I’ve never seen anything to indicate that a belief in eternal torture ala “Hell” exists in Judaism but there is something like a purgatory where souls are purified.
http://www.askmoses.com/qa_detail.html?o=18913
Well that’s interesting. Dovetails kind of nicely for those of us who believe in universal salvation purchased by Jesus .
But this is not from Revelation. The first reference is from one of Paul’s letters as mentioned above, and the second from Luke.
This is driving me f*****g crazy!
“If the blind lead the blind, they shall both lose it in the curve.” Gospel of Nascar
Neither Paul nor Luke knew Jesus either.
The passage from 1 Thessalonians was Paul’s answer to a question about whether those Christians who had already died would still go to Heaven when Jesus returned. Early Christian communities believed that Jesus would come before the last apostle had died (this generation). They were literally expecting the parousia any day.
Paul’s response was a reassurance that not only would those who had already died go to heaven, but that they would be raised up first (the Latin word “rapieumur” meaning “taken up” is where the English term “Rapture” is derived). It’s an answer about the parousia but it is not a prediction of a pre-trib harvest of all the good people before all hell breaks loose.
We must not try to seek understanding of God in the Physical order of man. Genus, species, race or kin. In Divine order is where we collectively come to know God’s limitless expandaple order.
Think in terms of Paradigm. Black-White. If we search for God expecting to find him in Ligh…Guess what happens when you give up looking? Your soul breaks from your “conceived” broken promise he was to be there. In your darkest hour that night, Guess you comes through with the light? See that during this time in the world. I think the collective conscious is connecting and telling us to fight a fear. Now I give a question to put it clear. We are in WW3 and I guarantee the christians and muslims and jews all right. See thats when we will stop the fight. We must go within to stop the fear resonacing in the individual consciousness for the collective consciousness to have courage to change and enter the new Dawn to begin.
Im just getting my messages now…so I don’t want to profess Supreme knowledge of anything now. It might be that all messages different Individually speaking and riddles to the critical thinking. I just know its dark time right now and If I can help us out with making myself not be afraid then I’ll give it a shot. What the hell. Right?
Anyway I’m also aware. That in our ego we must also take care to silence the “sabateur” a false voice inside. Recognize guidance from the divine by the motivation, and ease ascend. The false voices are forces of your resistance within and can be excuses.
Paradox of Divine mind
Chaos is Order
No small task, but not task is small.
Remember that there is no wrong choice. It unfolds as its told. The universe
Stay centered, get strong. Honest with yourself. then you dont lie to others
Read Dr. Carolynn Myss
Spritual Madness The Necessity to meet God in Darkness
Sorry for spelling and punctuation, Im a bit informal and rusty…kk
God bless you all
gogogogog
Vanilla said:
Well me for one.
I quite like living. Death comes soon enough anyway, I’m in no hurry. Whatever happens after death will happen. Maybe I’ll end up with the Lord as you say, but I don’t “long” for it.
You can only “long” for something that you have already experienced - like a hot shower or a good meal. You can’t long for something you’ve never had - like being with the Lord.
You don’t know what being with the Lord is like so you can’t long for it.
Rapture christians and jihadi muslims all “long” for something they’ve never had (and don’t even know exists) and are all dangerous in much the same way. They think they long for something but they don’t really. They don’t because it’s impossible to long for something you’ve never had.
Jihadis are more dangerous because they think they go to heaven by dying a martyr but it’s all just a matter of degree rather than of kind.
I hate “End is Nigh” cults. I hope the end is nigh for End is Nigh cults.
“they think they long for something but they don’t really”
Well, I do know better than you about myself, thanks.
And yes, us christians know what its like to know the Lord, if not yet be with Him physically.
We are still stuck in these perishable bodies.
vanilla said:
Maybe you know what you think better than I know what you think but I do know certain things about you.
For one thing, I know that you have never been in anything other than a “perishable body” so you have absolutely no idea what it would be like to be in anything other than a “perishable body”.
I also know that you have never been to heaven so therefore I know that you have absolutely no idea what it is like to “be with the Lord”.
You have no more idea what it is like to “be with the Lord” than I do. And you have no more idea what it is like to be in a “non-perishable body” than I do.
So you see, it seems that I know you better than you know you.