Holy shit, I knew he’d show up. It’s like blood in the water. A conservative is in trouble and Starving Artist rushes in to complain about name calling.
For the record, this is the start of what the evil liberals think of as stupid:
Are you really suggesting that we can’t call that stupid?
Don’t forget the shit about gays and AIDS. That was 1980’s stupid. Next she’ll bitch about the Russians.
As it is stated, not necessarily, because there are liberals who believe in a cause, and there are people who take advantage of them. I think that most liberals are good-hearted people who want to build a better world, but, their idea of what a better world is is different than mine, and the world that they want to build is not realistic.
To complicate matters further, there is a threat that the Founding Fathers knew of all too well, which is the threat of a big government, and there are many people, within Big Business and Professional Politics, who are counting on the liberal vote to further their goals in that direction.
There is another problem as well, which is racism. The racists who make up the Democratic Party prey on the good feelings and intentions of the feeble-minded to support their racist agenda. Did you know that Civil Rights was filibustered by the Democratic Party in 1964, and that many Democratic Party officials have been high-ranking members of the Ku Klux Klan? Unfortunately, these racists are not the simple-minded rednecks of the past. They have become more sophisticated, and learned how to hide. They try to hide their racism by accusing others of practicing it, much as people who have homosexual feelings often try to hide them by calling other people gay. It’s transparent to me, but a lot of people buy into it.
I consider myself a middle of the roader, mostly because people who are fanatical in any direction, religious, political, or whatever, come across as stupid, and they bore me.
Again, let’s argue about what I’ve said, not what you think I said, or what you wish I said. I did not say that shooting anyone was an intelligent policy plan.
I don’t know where you got that idea. I’m doing better than most business the size of mine, which is not very big. I used my business only as an example of why taxes should be lowered. What is true for my business is true for any other…lower our taxes and we can hire more people. Lower taxes boost the economy, and will bring in more tax revenue in the long run. This has always been true, yet there are still idiots who believe that they can tax our way out of a recession. Bush/Obama are two of these idiots.
You, and others here, have gone off on many tangents trying to discredit what I said, and I have gone along with it, mostly for amusement value, but my original point has never been refuted. Lower my taxes, and I’ll hire someone, if that person can make me money. Only a fool would not do that.
It is more realistic than a world where illegal aliens are shot.
Big Government is a mindless platitude that doesn’t mean anything. Some regulations are necessary. It is cheaper to throw pollution into streams. Businesses will do it unless a regulation says they can’t. So if you want your children to have unpolluted streams some level of environmental regulation is necessary. The exact number and amount of regulations is what we should be having the argument about, not some silly bullshit idea about abolishing the EPA.
You’re a fucking tool. Look up the Southern Strategy and inform yourself about the last fifty years of history for fuck sake.
Cliff’s Notes: The racist Democrats became Republicans. That’s why the Pubs own the South now. Srsly. Look it up.
You aren’t middle of the road. You’re an idiot.
I think, “the homos want the government to pay for AIDS” would make a great sig line.
The US has been running at a massive deficit. Lowering taxes would only make that worse. It most certainly NOT increase revenue, because it simply means more interest payments on the debt.
You claim to be a small business owner. Why not lower your prices? I heard that if you keep lowering your prices, you’ll get more business, and then you’ll have more revenue. What could possibly go wrong?
I assure you, you’ve done more to discredit yourself than anyone else here. Re: gays and AIDS
This has been refuted over and over and over. And as it stands, only a fool would suggest such a thing. The kind of fool that still associates gays with AIDS, and would suggest shooting illegal aliens.
You claim to be in trucking, how significant is the cost of fuel to your ability to hire more staff? How about insurance rates? Are taxes really the only thing you have to bitch about?
Your taxes are a cost of doing business. Your competitors pay the same taxes. If your rates don’t allow you to hire additional people to increase your profit, raise them.
If your competitors can out-compete you, the problem isn’t your taxes. It’s your business.
Wow. 1980’s stupid. Not just stupid but over gelled hair, bad clothes and shit music stupid.
That’s a fierce condemnation.
Stop twisting her words to discredit her! That’s such a liberal thing to do.
I bet Ronnie wouldn’t let the gays steal healthcare for their butt-aids!
RonnieeEEE!!11one
I already pointed out that this was not realistic. This is where I part company with the liberals. I understand that there are some things that I want, that are not realistic, and that these things are not going to happen. Liberals try to get together and get the government to force people to do things, whether they are realistic or not.
I would love to abolish the EPA. We can have specific regulations about dumping toxic wastes without an EPA or, more recently, a Department of Energy, which is a contradiction in terms.
Yes, as is anyone else who disagrees with you. I get it.
In the short term, yes. I the long term, economic recovery brought about by lowered taxes would raise the tax revenue.
Obviously you don’t understand how my business works. I have a broker who bids freight. Whether or now we get the freight depends on us having the equipment in the right place, and being competitive with other bidders. Fortunately, my broker is very good at what he does, nobody sits idle for more than a few hours, and my business is growing. It would grow more quickly, and I could hire more people, if my taxes were lowered.
All material on gays and AIDS is for amusement only, and most people here seem to be intelligent enough to be taking it as such.
Umm…didn’t we just determine that two-thirds of AIDS patients actually admitted to being homosexual?
Bitching? Is that what we’re here to do? If bitching is what you want, there are all sorts of things that I could bitch about. I was making a point about the effects of taxation on jobs, that’s all.
Certainly it is. Which is why no one I’m aware of has said such a thing.
Still, to say that liberals have inadvertently or unconcernedly ruined much of what was previously good about American society, and that as a consequence they have brought about many of many of the problems we face today, it would not be an inaccurate observation. 
QED
Taxes are bad for everyone. Competition has nothing to do with it. As I said, other businesses have the same issues that I do. My business is only one example that I used, to make the point, that…
IF TAXES ARE LOWER, BUSINESSES CAN AFFORD TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE
Got it?
Now, my business is shipping. The cost of shipping raises the cost of products, all products. Nearly everything that you buy arrives by truck, and most products are shipped around from one business to another during manufacture. The taxes that shippers pay are added to the total cost of goods produced, which makes it more difficult for a US manufacturor to compete with others, which means that many of them cannot stay in business and jobs are lost.
JOBS ARE LOST, BECAUSE OF HIGH TAXES
Because of the nature of shipping and manufacture, every tax ends up being a tax upon a tax, upon a tax.
I’m not saying that taxes are the only thing that causes jobs to be lost. Unions are a big problem as well, but lowering the taxes is the best “stimulus” we’re going to get for the buck. Government programs to build roads, for instance, will only help improve things if there is going to be commerce using those roads, and the same taxes that build the roads are interfering with commerce. As much as I would like to have nicer roads (isn’t my IFTA supposed to be used for that?), it’s just another dumbassed idea.
Prove it. Did it work for Bush 43 when he lowered taxes?
Of if you cut costs, charged more, increased demand… It seems that you’re the one that doesn’t understand your business.
It wasn’t amusing. Particularly to those of us working in that field.
So what? Does that justify discriminatory policies? Do we use that fucked up excuse for logic in any other means?
smoking -> lung cancer
skiing -> knee injuries
Did you know that pilots are particularly susceptible to leukemia and skin cancer? Fuck them for their life style choice.
Turns out truck drivers have high rates of STIs and hepatitis C.
You have failed to make that point.
Ah, yes, the 80’s…back when we still spent francs, and Les Rita Mitsouko were topping the charts with Marcia Beila. I’m still a big fan of Catherine Ringer, clothes and all, although I can’t recall her ever having gelled the hair.
This has never been demonstrated in the last 80 years. If you have statistics that contradict that, bring 'em.
Do you remember the 60’s, before the hippies were taken seriously? Back then, you dressed up nice to get onto an airplane, you could smoke, and drink, and in the bigger airplanes, you got real food. It was so sweet. You used to be able to go and buy a new car, you could choose between luxury and sportiness, and you could be proud of what you bought. These days, you have to buy a government-approved pinch-nose plastic jellybean, unless, like me, you choose to have your old 70’s cars rebuilt. You didn’t have to walk around on eggshells worrying about offending someone in the 60’s. Movies didn’t have to be socially acceptable. Romance was everywhere, and it was always between a man and a woman. “Gay” was a beautiful word, and “homosexual” was a mental illness. Children whose parents could not afford to keep them went to orphanages, where they were given a proper upbringing, instead of running loose in the streets, becoming criminals, subsidized by a welfare system.
Perhaps there will be a day when people say, “Do you remember how good it was in 2010?” but if that is true, life will have to really, really suck. I’m hoping for a better future than that. I believe that freedom can be returned, and that big government can be defeated, if we make the effort. It’s going to start with this election. We’re going to flip Obama the same shit that we gave Clinton during the first mid-term. Hopefully, the spirit will carry this time.