The technophobic woman whose work I am obliged to do

Hey, lady.

You’re really very nice. I appreciate the levity you bring into the office, you seem to be a good and interesting person and all that.

BUT, your adamant refusal to contemplate learning anything at all about how to operate your computer, combined with your grand ambition to have your document appear on the website exactly according to your particular wants, is causing me an enormous headache.

It’s a big job, yes, and I’m very happy to help you with it. But I think both your time and my time would be better served if you would just open your mind a teeny little bit.

Hyperlinks are very easy to make. Hilight the word, right-click, pick ‘hyperlink,’ paste your link, click ‘Okay.’ This strikes me as substantially easier than hilighting the word in yellow and underlining it, pasting the link beside it along with the text “cowgirl, insert this link,” and then me creating the link, then removing the text, hilight and underline. Dontcha think?

I think, no, I am certain that if you spent even half the time you spend talking about how you don’t know how it works, and you want it to be user-friendly, and this, and that, and the other, and how you don’t know how to do it, and you want this, and the other thing, and blah blah blah, and can I clarify this, and can you get back to me on that, and so on, if you even spent half that amount of time learning how to do it yourself, this thing would have been done weeks ago. I’m quite happy to help you with the more difficult things. But 'know what? You are making things far, far more difficult than they need to be.

And if I tell you that a link in your document isn’t working, don’t you think it’s easier to find the correct link yourself, than to ask me to find what I guess might be it (since it’s your document, after all, on a subject I know almost nothing about), which involves pasting the phrase into Google, bookmarking the result, waiting for you to come round and confirming that it’s the page you want, and then replacing the link?

Also, and this isn’t really about your computer skills necessarily, if you give me thirty or so documents to link together, I’m not likely to see a bit of hilight at the bottom of one of these pages, with a correction you think should be made, if you don’t tell me that it’s there. It’s pure luck that I found it and I hope there aren’t more.

Now, I know that you want the document to be user-friendly to people ‘like you.’ Well, I don’t know how to put this gently but I fervently hope and pray, and have good reason to believe, that there is nobody in this organization with lower levels of computer skills than you. Nobody. Not even the people who call me to ask questions that are answered with ‘Follow the link on the first page of our website;’ not the people who still use WordPerfect because they’re scared to learn Word, requiring me to create and post documents that I can’t even read because I don’t have WP; not the people (yes, more than one) who called me because they couldn’t print the attachment I sent them, because it was on legal size paper and their printer defaults to letter; not the woman who messed up the letterhead template I made by saving her own stupid efforts at a memo on the .dot file instead of a regular one, repeatedly. Most people know how to print picture files; if they don’t, they should (a) not have the job in the first place, or (b) ask just about anybody else in their office. I do not want to spend the day trying to figure out how to change the printing properties for this one insignificant picture just in case people don’t see the ‘Fit to Page’ button on the printing screen.

Finally. I know it’s much easier to navigate the document when it’s in HTML. Problem is, with my capabilities combined with my software’s capabilities, it looks freakin’ ugly. Acrobat files are much prettier, and smaller, and easier to print. And, since you want people to be able to print at the click of a button, I have posted your entire document in .pdf, so it’s there already. But you are worried that when someone clicks on a link they will not be able to find their way back to where they originally came from, so Acrobat is not an option. So now I have to make 3 (three) copies of each and every section of your document, and with each tiny correction (which are numerous, considering that you don’t tell me where they are, and let me find them myself) requires me to re-save, twice, each section that I change.

Gah ! This is doing my head in. I am not a computer person. These tasks are not in my job description. I am hopelessly unqualified to do this; unfortunately, with the calibre of people in my office, I am the most qualified one here. I do appreciate the learning opportunity, though (and I really appreciate the help of the IT people, whose job I know isn’t to provide me with help on this kind of thing), and I can’t figure out a way to put all this trouble-shooting and problem-solving I’m doing on my resume !

Well, nuff respect to you people who have to do this kind of thing every day. As of this afternoon (touch wood), when the document goes up on the site (again, touch wood), I should never have to do this again.

And another thing !

since I’m venting anyway, and this is already of no interest to anyone but me, I have to add the postscript:

If your preferred method of document editing is to stand behind me and tell me what to type, do not do the following:

a) noisily eat an apple (that’s just gross)
b) tell me to ‘save’ the document, and when you don’t see me click the ‘Save’ button on my screen, stop me to confirm that I’ve saved it (that’s a bit insulting)
c) imply that I am inconveniencing you, when you sit down to use my computer, and my properties are set up in a way that makes things more difficult for you and your utter lack of computer savvy. That’s just wrong.

grr. snarl. growl. froth. moo.

This is one of my pet peeves - people who are so goshdarned proud of their ignorance and/or incompetence. “Oh, I can’t spell - heeheehee.” “Oh, I can’t do that - it’s a math thing.” I understand that people have different strengths and abilities, but being proud of inadequacies that are within your abilities to fix is just, well, stupid to me.

Your boss should fire her and hire me, cowgirl.:smiley: I see things that I don’t know as a challenge, not something to be proud of not knowing.

Uh, I have a coworker like this. Nice as can be, I consider her a personal friend, but her utter refusal to do anything computer related, drives me absolutely batshit crazy.

I’ve moved to a different office, and now my other coworker has to deal with her, thank og. We’re able to access any work related forms on our company homepage, right? She’ll ask my coworker to print out a copy of whatever she needs. Like, 10 times a freaking day. It’s. Right. There.

I used to tell her that all she has to do is click on the button titled whatever it is she’s asking for at that particular moment, but she claimed it “didn’t work on her computer.”

:rolleyes:

My ass, it didn’t work on her computer. And even if it DIDN’T, we’ve got a kickass data help line that are the most friendly and helpful data support people I’ve ever dealt with.

Drives me freaking NUTS. I’ve got to work out of that office tommorow, too. I swear if she pulls the “it doesn’t work on my computer” schtick again I’m gonna march over there and expose her for the technologically lazy ass she is…

Dontcha just love passive-agressive people? Or those that dig their heels in and refuse to buge. My sympathies to you, cowgirl. I have had to deal with a few people like this, and after the first one, I swore I’d never do it again. What I do now is invite them to sit at the nearest computer before they have a chance to decline, and then gently and quietly talk them through what they want to do. The next time they ask, I say, “ah, but you know how to do that now, I showed you, remember?” and then I walk away quickly, or get really involved in something very important That Must Be Done Immediately Or Else. After I’ve shown them how to do it, it’s much easier to walk away from them. Mind you, I understand it may take two or three times to really learn something, but I draw a line in the dirt.

Vald/Igor

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At risk of igniting a holy war, I have to say that given a choice between using Word and WordPerfect, I choose WordPerfect. Not because I don’t want to learn Word (I can use it reasonably well), but because I honestly believe that WordPerfect is a far superior program. Word isn’t everywhere because it’s better, it’s everywhere because of Microsoft’s marketing tactics.
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Everything else you said, cowgirl, I have to agree with. I love showing people how to do things. I even write up instructions for them on how to do things (and I write kick-ass instructions); but I do not appreciate their saying “oh, you do it so much faster/better than I do, you do it for me”, when they could become just as fast or good as I am if they’d just spend some time practising what I’ve already showed them how to do.

I think I’ll have to keep Vlad’s tactic in mind if I ever find myself in that position again.

WordPerfect/Word: I personally don’t give a rat’s ass. None at all. I’m not familiar with WP but I’m sure I could be if I had to. The thing that bugs me is that we’re the biggest public service in North America, or something, and everybody uses Word, except for a few old-timers in a certain ministry which won’t be mentioned (the Ministry of Love, maybe?). It’s just a compatibility issue. They download templates from my site and complain that they don’t work in WordPerfect. Well, I can’t fix them. I can, however, fix the ones in Word, so if you really need them, use those ! That’s my concern.

She came to my desk and grouched a bit that this exercise was taking longer than she’d anticipated, and then she couldn’t answer my questions without sitting down at my computer. So she sat down and got frustrated when she couldn’t figure out how to ‘open’ or ‘close’ documents (because those commands don’t appear on my File menu right away), she didn’t know that the little x in the top right-hand corner closes the window !!

Man, somebody grew up in a cave …

Please send me your good vibes. This document will go on the site without a hitch (don’t even get me started on the website people, with whom I have to liaise, or the mind-boggling content management software that I have to try to work around), and I will never have to work with this woman again. Right?

At least I’m earning my pay this week.

As the default “computer guy” in our office, I feel your pain. I’m constantly getting:

“Dantaaaaaaaaaaaay…? Can you c’mere a second?”

“I can, but if you ask me to do something for you that you’re perfectly capable of doing yourself, there will. be. blood.”

“…”

I hear this constantly. And when I try to explain what I’m doing so that they don’t have to call me the next time, this blank look comes over them, and they just go “uh huh, uh huh, uh huh”. I actually stopped once and said “You are not listening. You are not learning. You have convinced yourself that you CANNOT learn this, so you won’t even do me the courtesy of paying attention to what I’m trying to teach you.” Know what he said? “Well, I just don’t get computers.”

Listen shit-for-brains, this is on par with learning multiplication tables. Do it a few times, and it becomes simple. Guess what? I’m an insurance broker, not tech support. Oh, and by the way, aren’t you supposed to be MY FUCKING ASSISTANT!!!???

Whew, I feel better.

Thanks cowgirl.

I agree with all of the sentiments above, save for the lunkheads that prefer WP (sorry, but I could have started a Pit thread on this a decade ago).

On woman here once asked me to help her find her missing document. I asked her what directory she saved it in. “Oh”, she laughed, “I don’t know anything about computers.”

And there is Big Boss Man who refuses to deal with e-mail. Every hour, his secretary has to go into his office and print out his e-mails for him. If he wants to respond, he’ll write on the printouts, so his secretary can type them up and send them.

Fucking luddite.

I empathize with you cowgirl, I’m in the same situation at work, I became the “computer expert” by the simple fact that I was not afraid of trying stuff to make it work. My boss is the worst offender, we have networked comps (Macs to be precise) and she still insists on using diskettes to transfer documents, notwithstanding the fact that I explained to her several times how to connect the frigging machines together. There is also the fact that we both have scanners, but I’m the one that has to do all the scans (I don’t really mind, it allows me to read while the scanning is going on :smiley: ) or it is a case of

like it was so aptly put, it infuriates me to no end when it is something as simple as doing research on Google or downloading illustrations from the Internet. But the worst part is when new software or peripherals come into the office, guess who has to install them on all the machines (we have 4 of them) ? and I still have to do my regular job.

I forgot about the fellow students like this; whenever I take a continuing education course, it always involves computers, and somehow I always end up teaching the student next to me everything. Well, I used to - I’ve gotten right cranky about people asking me how to do things in class - last time it happened (last month), I told the woman to ask the teacher and ignored her. Listen, babe, if you can’t figure out how to cut and paste and open a new folder, you’re in over your head and I absolutely refuse to be your Introduction to Computers instructor. (I paid $600 for the course I’m in - I’m not spending one minute of that money teaching other students how to use a computer.)

tdn, I had that boss too, once. He would dictate the response of the e-mail to me, I would type it out and send it, and sometimes print a copy for his files. But I think he was just really lazy, he did know how to send them but chose not to. Also he couldn’t type very well.

I don’t get it. I thought basic computer skills were a job requirement for most jobs that required you to use computers. I console myself with the knowledge that twenty years from now most of these people will have retired (hopefully) and everyone who works in an office will have grown up with computers. Even if they don’t know how to use them they will at least know that it’s not likely to jump up and bite you in the ass, and that just because you don’t know how to do it doesn’t mean you can’t learn.

Gah! Technophobes!

Not a work-related peeve, but similar – I know a woman who utterly refuses to get a computer, or even go on-line at the local library where one can have a free account. She’s very proud that she knows zero about computers, the internet, websites.

BUT…

She’s heard about this ‘eBay’ thing where you can make tons of money, and she knows I bid and sell on eBay…

She never stops hounding me to sell stuff for her through eBay – not just one item or two, but once she gave me an inventory she had for literally 100s of pieces of china she wanted to sell a piece at a time.

I cannot convince her that my specialities are handspun yarn, Kinks’ memorabilia and vintage 60s clothing – I don’t know anything about china or silverwear or jewelry. I am not going to waste my time away from my own work, hobbies, life, etc, listing 100s of pieces of china about which I know nothing, and do not wish to take responsibility for packing, etc.

She also gives me awful clothing to sell (dirty, torn, stained) and is utterly convinced ‘XYZ will make us a fortune!’

I tell her, if she looked on eBay, she’d see that there were plenty of potential millionaires also sitting on similar junk, their auctions ending with no bids at a starting bid of .99.

She has NO clue what eBay looks like, how it works, what is offered there. All she knows is that she (I) can get wonderful bargains and that she (I) can sell her stuff to make a fortune. Until I switched my phone over to the answering machine, I used to pick up the line to her calling to ask me to get on eBay whilst we spoke, and look for stuff and ‘describe it for her’ (go to eBay, type in ‘ruby’ and see how many bazillion hits you get).

If I tell her, go to the library, get on line, and surf the site, and she’ll see what I mean, she gets very pouty, and insists she knows nothing about computers, she has no time for such things, etc. But thinks it’s no trouble for me to write auctions, deal with questions, the selling, chasing down NPB, shipping, blah blah blah…and, oh yes, giving her 100% of the profits (trying to explain to this woman eBay fees is a whole nother peeve).

Really, trying to explain a website to someone who even refuses to look at a computer is a lot like that story of the 7 blind men trying to describe an elephant.

AUGH!!!

(And no, I don’t sell stuff for her…)

I had a couple of, well, frustrating experiences with people like that. One was from a real estate broker that said “Uh, overly, the Internet is broken.” So I walked him back to his desk and asked him to show me what he was doing. He clicked on Netscape, the company Intranet came up as it’s supposed to. Then he just sat there for five seconds, staring at his screen. He turned to me and said “See, it’s broken. It’s not doing anything. We need to call IT.” So I smiled (I know my lips were twitching - I was trying sooo hard not to laugh) and said “Oh, you must have forgotten to type the URL.” So I pointed to the field and he typed in the company name instead of the Web site address. Eventually I just got down there and did it for him. But I went back to my desk (which was fortunately far away) and just howled with laughter. I guess he thought that the computer and his brain had a special connection where he could telepathically tell it what to do.

The second was with our company’s “help” desk. I had lost a file so I called and asked someone to please retrieve it for me off the server. I will never, ever forget the person from the help desk saying “We can do that!? Wow, that’s so cool. Hold on, I have to tell Val.” She then told everyone who shared her office about how they could retrieve files from the server. It was hysterical. I could hear her co-workers over the phone - one of them said “Uh, Jan, are you serious?” Hee hee…

As long as you folks keep caving in and showing these lunkheads how to do it, they will keep coming back for more.

Cut the umbilical cord, people!!!

Hafta agree with mhendo. My mom was one of these exact same people. At the time, I was doing some computer-consulting kinda work and eventually got tired of telling her how to print (for the 10th time), so I gave her my hourly rate and told her any future queries for stuff I’d already explained would cost her. She did it once more, I sent an invoice, and she miraculously learned.

But, Featherlou, unless I’m confusing you with someone else, aren’t you an engineer? And therefore the clueless person next to you in the CE class is also an engineer? Which makes it really amazing that the engineer next to you could be such a technophobe regarding computers. Is this sort of thing common in your field?

Ooops, I did confuse you with someone else–FairyChatMom, I think.

Sorry all. Carry on.

Tell her you want a 15% commission on whatever she sells.

cowgirl,
for a scary moment I was worried you were one of my co-workers, and that I had caused you pain. I used to rely quite heavily one someone at work for that type of thing…then you got the Acrobat part and I knew you weren’t complaining about me :slight_smile: I can use Acrobat.
(cause I vaguely remember you are in Calgary…)