Who do you think should make the list of Pop Icons?
Lucille Ball
Madonna
Princess Diana
Elton John
Prince William
who else?
Is it considered spoilers if you go to VH1’s website and see who number one is?
If so then I hid the top 3 in the spoiler box.
[spoiler]3. Elvis Presley
2.Superman
- Oprah Winfrey[/spoiler]
My top 3 is Elvis, The Beatles, and Steven Spielberg
I didn’t know VH1 had a Pop Icon website. WOW great minds think alike. I liked the spoilers. I would have never thought of them.
I think Pope John Paul should be one too
Yeah, VH1 is in the middle of airing a ten part look at the 200 greatest pop cultural icons. I don’t think they’ve aired the bottom 100 (or top 100 considering your point of view) yet, so I don’t want to spoil it. Though they are already posted on their website, so it really isn’t spoiler material.
[trekker] James Kirk and maybe Spock should be on there. Darth Vader too. [/trekker]
Elvis
Marilyn Monroe
The Beatles
Frank Sinatra should be there too.
Otherwise I totally agree with Marilyn, Elvis and the Beatles.
Top icons of what? Current? 20th century? The millennium?
I’d say any list of 20th-century pop icons would have to include Mary Pickford, Charlie Chaplin, Betty Boop, Kilroy, the Gibson Girl, Rosie the Riveter, Garbo, Clark Gable, Krazy Kat, the Ziegfeld and/or Florodora Girls . . . were any of them mentioned by VH1?
Eve, so far, I’ve only noticed Clark Gable on the list (and that was with Vivien Leigh as part of a super couple)…um, anybody remember a couple of folks named Carole Lombard and Laurence Olivier who just might have been a better pairing for those two, respectively, as the other half of their super coupledom?
Sorry, but IMO, #1 & #2 are just plain wrong.
Prince William? You mean that kid in England?
Hey, Eve! Don’t forget Al Jolson…and Bing Crosby.
First woman self-made billionaire…I see no problem.
I agree with the Beatles, Elvis, and Marilyn Monroe (in that order) as top 3.
But I take serious issue with much of
VH1’s Top 200 Pop Culture Icons.
Don’t get me started as to who shouldn’t be on the list (or who should have been ranked higher or lower), but here’s who I think should have been on but were left out:
Humphrey Bogart
Milton Berle
Charles Lindberg
Shirley Temple
Bela Lugosi (as Dracula)
Boris Karloff (as Frankenstein)
Marlon Brando
Lenny Bruce
George Carlin
The Marx Brothers
Monty Python
Peter Sellers
Chuck Berry
The Who
Donny Osmond
Howdy Doody
Dr. Suess
Walt Disney
Snoopy (along with Charlie Brown who was #104)
Timothy Leary
Carl Sagan
Ann Landers and Dear Abby
Fred Astaire
Cary Grant
Walter Cronkite
Raquel Welch
Rocky & Bullwinkle
Mind you, I’m still only in my 30’s, so I’m not some cranky old geezer pining for the lame old days, but you get impression the VH1 polled hight schools or something.
Oh, well, after linking to the VH1 site, I can see how Justin Timberlake is a much more important 20th-century figure then, say, Rudolph Valentino, and Mariah Carey is leagues ahead of Mary Pickford . . .
[Eve rolls her eyes so violently that they fall out and the cats bat them around on the floor]
I don’t know who’s #2, but #1 is Elvis Presley and it’s not even a close call. Citing a Top Three is silly; there’s Elvis, and then there’s a cluster of people below him. Marilyn, Oprah, Madonna et al. aren’t even in his zip code.
Presley was THE first superstar. “Superstar” begins with him, and he’s as dead as a doornail and he’s still a superstar. Does anyone here think that hundreds of thousands of people will be visiting Oprah Winfrey’s home every single year 25 years after she croaks? Neither do I.
Humphrey freakin’ Bogart isn’t on that list? :eek:
Neither is Bing Crosby? Fah! :waves hand dismissively:
Ummm, Mary Pickford? Charles Dickens? Charlie Chaplin? Lillian Russell? Jenny Lind? These people were world-famous before there was TV. There were “superstars” before Elvis.
Any list that has Monica Lewinsky on it is well worth ignoring.
To back Eve up (even though I know she hates him), I’ve read that Chaplin was the first human being in history who would have been recognized nearly anywhere on the globe. (Assuming he showed up in costume, of course.)
There were African tribal villages, Tibetan monasteries, Amazonian rain forests, etc., where his comedies were shipped during the teens and twenties, and projected onto strung-up bedsheets for the amusement of the locals.
Wumpus took the words right out of my mouth. The presence of Lewinsky invalidates the entire list for me.
Of course, these lists went right out the window for me with the 100 Greatest Women of Rock. Seminal artists were subjugated for people like Beyonce and Alanis Morissette and the agenda was so overwhelming that it was painful to watch.
Why is VH1 attempting to define our culture for us, anyway? It seems like they’re doing a Top 100 Whatever list every month. We’re going to love who we love, remember who we remember, enjoy the songs we enjoy. Why can’t Viacom trust its viewers to know their own minds instead of force-feeding their opinion so blatantly?
Eventually this cancer is going to spread to CBS and there’ll be a 60 Minutes branded countdown of the “most important events in history” with a top 10 that’s nothing but contemporary events which have had far less impact on the world as a whole as countless others, but come on, how could the signing of the Magna Carte be more important than the OKC bombing? :rolleyes:
No, Eve, I simply do not agree. Elvis Presley became a superstar at a level way, way above those people; his stardom redefined the term, even more so than Charlie Chaplin (and I sincerely doubt that 90% of the population even remembers who Jenny Lind or Lillian Russell were - but I assure you most will know who Elvis is in 50-100 years.)
Presley is the absolute, no-questions asked #1 pop star of all time.