I suspect that instead that it’s some sort of an officialese charge.
Jeez, Al, lighten up a bit, OK? Simon is a registered Republican, fer Chrissake, and I’m just a country boy from Waco. Not all of us share your tolerance for post-modernist Mapplethorpe-meets-Hannibal Lecter type perv.
Or, as Descartes once remarked, “Le Ewwwwwww!”
I just sayin’…
I think the “i.b.” thing is the closest a guy like Lindsey Graham can get to the action in the picture. I think that’s what has Rumsfeld white as a ghost.
notice that everything else gets spelled out. iraqi guards raping teenage boyse, tec.
this is really the only area of ambiguity.
So now they claim that there is a videotape,apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys.
(quoting my reply on this at other thread)
Iraqi guards ?
There say now that there were Iraqi guards in that prison (or in others)?
Since when do the occupyers employ (read: trust) Iraqi guards for guarding the “dangerous Iraqis”?
And Iraqi guards were raping young boys?
Well, call me incurable sceptical, but unless the occupyers rounded up some Iraqi pedophiles or frustrated homosexuals or some ex-Sadam-torturers or some people belonging to the mini-mini minority of non Muslim population, I think I shall need to see the evidence of such a claim before I can imagine myself that Muslim Iraqi guards can be ordered by the foreign occupyers to rape young boys.
If there were Iraqi guards effectively doing this, I would vote for the ex saddam torturers. Seems very consistent to me with the US policy there.
As for Bush and Rumsfeld being so stupid to openly declare that they did not see “any pictures” until a few hours before they said they didn’t see them: If they think that is a good PR show, they “ain’t seen nothing yet”.
Making such a claim only adds to the impression that they by all means want to cover up the Cover Up.
In addition they come across as extremely stupid in handling this covering up the Cover Up. If they were not in the least interested in seeing the pictures about the abuse they were informed about months ago, it means that the whole thing had not a shred of their interest and was considered as the normal procedure for “handling” prisoners.
Transfer these feelings to Iraq and the rest of the region and you get an idea why those pictures keep showing up in the media, why Bush’s patethic arrogant paternalistic monologue had nobody’s interest and why his pictured is carried around with “Terrorist Die” as decoration.
Salaam. A
That cracks me up–I was way too vanilla for my last girlfriend…
Can I have her phone number?
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I wouldn’t put my money on that. It’ll go underground now. It will be less, certainly, but maybe they just won’t keep taking pictures and video of it, and be sure to “dispose” of the witnesses (victims)
http://www.juancole.com/2004_05_01_juancole_archive.html#108417190568808803
On Wolf Blitzer on Sunday, Hersh said he thought that the photographs of the abuse and torture were themselves attempts to manipulate prisoners, since they were threatened with the revelation of their humiliation to friends and family
I don’t think you really want it–
her ambition,
(when last seen by the king of the visigoths)
was to find and fuck a “fully functioning” pre op
(I guess that goes without saying…)
transexual…
Hey, anyone remember when George W. Bush was outraged over the “inhumane” treatment of American POWs by Saddam? All that posturing about how showing captured Americans being interviewed on Iraqi television was a violation of the Geneva convention? All those conservatives saying Saddam has been revealed as a brute that the world must condemn?
Ah, those were the days…
yeah
remember how we pissed all over him for stroking that kid’s head before gulf war one.
Boy, I’ll bet there are a few kids from Ghraibgate who’d love to trade places with that kid…
BY elucidator: You pose your question as if you think I hadn’t considered it. “Well now, look here, 'Luc, old duck, you do realize that this could result in civil war? Now that I have enlightened your dim perception, surely you will recant!”
I don’t see anything in my post that implies that you are less than bright. If it appears that way to you, allow me to apologize.
Now, I’m getting to be like the porcupine making love: I’ve enjoyed about all of this good stuff I can stand. All’s not lost, however. Because of this thread I’ve learned that there exists a fruit called a fava bean that may be mixed in a blender with other substances and the resulting slurry poured over steak strips for an acceptable meal.
See y’all around.
I read recently an article where a middle-east schlar and expert stated that according to him, the only otptions left to the US at this point if they wanted to stay in Irak was, indeed brute force or…large-scale bribery.
Me, I’ll take bribery. Lots & lots of it.
It’s what makes the world go round, and is way preferable to setting dogs on helpless naked prisoners.
You catch more flies with honey and all that…
it’s a shame they rejected bribery when it could have done some real good
Now, they’re ready to un-ass a shekel or two…
Its true you draw more flies with honey. Shit, however, is irresistable.
What I find amazing is the whole discussion here about a story of a 12 year old girl that “can not be proved to be true independantly”.
Aside from the fact that there are other stories that can be proved, which maked this particular story likely to be tru…
Where were all of you when the USA dared to come up at the UN itself with stories that were not veryfied, with outright inventions and lies and with openly neglecting (read: ridiculising) the findings of Hans Blix who said what they claimed as truth could not be veryfied independently at that stage of the ongoing inspections?
Where were you, when your Bush Maffia used these non-proved inventions to invade and occupy a sovereign nation?
Where are you now?
I even read here that there are poster who still plann to vote for this arrogant mass murderer you call president.
I must say to them and those who argue here about the story of that 12 year old that for them “needs to be confirmed independently” : Congratulations. You convinced yourself once again that you are able to think and reason “independantly” reyling on “proof” and nothing but the “proof”. Of your truth.
Salaam. A
It does give one pause, does it not?
The odd thing is, I really tried to take the whole “sourcing” red herring off the table, but, by god, they were right there with the bullshit…
not to mention that stripping and beating a 12 year old girfl is, I guaran-fuckin’-ty,
well towards the MIDDLE of the spectrum of horrors that have occurred, that are ocurring today, and that will continue to occur as long as these criminal adventurers continue in control of the world’s most powerful nation.
The cracker of the year award is reserved for those persons burdened by a southern accent, who nonetheless display an astonishing ability to reason clearly and (god help me, apparantly) the intellectual honesty to follow the trail of their own thoughts to a politically unpalatable conclusion.
In that vein, a nomination for the first year’s award.
Graham is going up the chain of command like the lawyer he wanted to be when he was a little boy.
The debate:
Moved, the question:Since it is constituionally impossible for a Repubolican to be intellectually honest, Lindsey Graham must be a plant, a clone, an alien masquerading as a republican senator, or some other kind of double agent.
Oh, just wait. We are quickly approaching stage 4: where, after downplaying the abuse or blaming it all ona six deviants has failed, right wing pundits are going to start arguing that the abuses were justified.
The Four Stages of Republican denial: