I cannot understand why the left wants to get rid of Trump. If you are going to have a Republican in the White House, wouldn’t you rather have.a bumbling ex-democrat social moderate who can be manipulated with flattery and who has his two Democrat-voting children advising him, rather than a competent social conservative true believer?
Impeaching Trump means president Pence. In what world is that an improvement from the left’s perspective? If anything, Pence will be even more conservative than Trump, but he’s also much more skilled at working the Congress and the media. Hence, he will likely be more effective at advancing a conservative agenda. And if Pence doesn’t take the job, or somehow goes down with Trump, you get President Ryan, whose main goals are reforming entitlements, flattening taxes, and lowering regulations
From the left’s perspective, an idiot like Trump is the best card in a very bad hand, isn’t he?
Speaking for myself, it’s because I put country before party. Trump is a disaster for the party and the country, and he is supremely dangerously incompetent, and will drag the party down with him. But, I want him out of there ASAP for the sake of the country.
When you are not devoted to an ideology that focuses on the self, you realize that other people matter too, even those who are not on your team. Might want to try that some time.
You are absolutely correct, from a sharply partisan point of view.
Can you possibly understand why there are many on the left who are not sharply partisan, and would feel that perhaps, just perhaps, Trump is an absolute danger to the economy, and to the safety of the world, and this is MORE IMPORTANT than partisan advantage?
This. He is an embarrassment, in addition to being dangerous because of his ignorance, his refusal to learn/be taught, and his complete lack of awareness of…well, of anything.
You, like it seems most republicans, are missing the very important point. This isn’t my side vs. your side. This is America. Trump leading America is a horrible idea. No good comes from a lying, mis-informed, narcissist. After I got over the shock of the election, My thoughts were, “OK so he sets America back by 4 years, its happened before and it will happen again, we can handle it.” But Trump has to continue to go full on lying bastard. Not good for anybody. Pence makes America (except for the 1%) poor again. We can come back from that.
What are you talking about? Trump is supposedly on ‘my’ team, and I haven’t had a single nice thing to say about him. The last time I talked anout him here, I said he was a stain on the Presidency. There are a hell of a lot of ‘Never Trump’ Republicans who DID put country ahead of party in this case. That takes more courage than opposing a President who is in the other party.
And why the random cheap shot? Just can’t contain yourself?
Pence’s only redeeming quiality is one of humor. He doesn’t intend it, but whatever. When he tries to feign thoughtful dignity he squints his eyes and makes a kind of straight line smile- no mouth curving. He looks like he is ripping one of those long quieter high pitched squeaky farts: furrrrrrrrrrrrrrt.
I think he’s trying to imitate Anderson Cooper’s ‘serious face.’ Possibly Pence thinks about A.C. a bit too much.
But in any case: yes, Pence would be bad for the USA but Trump is disastrous for the entire world. As a life-long Democrat I eschew all party-plotting and say ‘get that mentally-ill, loose-lipped idiot away from the nuclear codes.’
I felt this way when he was first elected. Trump would do more damage to Republicans and be far less effective at getting their agenda through than Pence, so he would actually be preferable.
But after a few weeks of the continuing shit-show I changed my mind. As others has said, Trump is doing severe damage to my country, to its institutions, to its reputation, and to its standing in the world. The longer he stays, the worse it will get. I care enough about my country that I would find Pence more tolerable even if he was worse politically.
Real question : why would he sweat ?
I mean, I know precious little about Israel’s domestic politics, but can’t he just say what everybody knows ? “He’s obviously a muppet, don’t worry, we’ll wait until they get someone remotely sane up there before signing anything with them” ? It’s not like Bibi or his goons are going to be responsible for Trump shoving his foot so far in his mouth he’ll be shitting shoe polish for a week. Don’t we all expect it at this point ?