The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making

No, it gives him a chance to declare “victory”. He can claim it pays for a while and when someone points out the fact that it doesn’t, he can cover his ears like a little child saying “Nah! Nah! Nah! I can’t hear you!”

I just wonder now that it’s clearly established that Mexico ISN’T paying for the wall if they are the ones who are next on Trump’s tariff hit list.

I was talking about selection (e.g., “highlights”) not truth. Neither of my posts had anything to do with truth.

Let’s say that you’re talking to a woman who just went through a divorce. All she’ll do is talk about how awful her ex was, how stupid he was, how cruel he was, etc.

When she gives examples of what a bad person he is, she’s probably not going to lie. But that doesn’t mean that you’re going to get an honest view of what her ex is like as a human being, because at that moment in time this woman is not going to give a fair, impartial, nuanced, nor balanced description of the guy. They just went through a divorce.

Now if you go and talk to some other person who knows the ex, doesn’t know nor care about the wife, and also gives a bad report of the ex, then it’s worth assuming that the ex is a bad dude.

But just talking to the woman who just got through with the divorce? Her description of the ex, however true all of the individual parts might be, is still completely useless.

As said, CNN is a highly partisan news organization. Every day the homepage of CNN is how and why the Republicans and Trump suck.

But most of the time, the stories that they have chosen to make that point are stupid. They’re more busy talking about Trump comparing women to his daughter than they are to pointing out the likely ramifications of policy that are being decided in the White House.

CNN is largely to blame for Trump getting elected. They were too busy being horrified by his behavior that they forgot that he was a joke candidate with a joke platform. They treated him like a real contender, because they couldn’t analyze the man in any rational way and assumed that no one on the Right would be curious about whether a Wall was actually a good idea, or even feasible. Though couldn’t accept the idea that informing people on the things that actually matter in life is a useful thing to try and do.

And CNN is to blame for the success of the “false news” effort, because anyone who isn’t of the same political view of CNN will quickly notice that their ideas of what is and isn’t important and what is and isn’t a horrible thing, is stupid. FOX news is also stupid. That’s why the big two are the big two. Most people like stupid, fluff news that justifies their preconceived notions of the world, and those two are the news media for them.

But so overall, while it may be that CNN happened to get it right today, that’s about as meaningful as Jim Carey telling you to quit smoking and walk a mile every day. He happens to be correct, but if I didn’t already know that, learning that Jim Carey was the one giving the advice would not affect my opinion on whether I should quit smoking or take up walking. I’d wait until I heard from a doctor or someone else who wasn’t an idiot.

And what if that’s the objective truth? There’s certainly ample evidence that Trump and those Republicans supporting him or enabling him “suck”.

This. It’s not partisan if it’s the objective truth.

GOP leadership was working with the WH on this bill and had the green light.

Sage Rat, thanks for that thoughtful response to my post, BUT

CNN is reporting bad stuff because it’s true. It’s not selective. Every day this administration shits out one turd after another. And CNN reports it, as **Procrustus **listed in his post–and that was just one day’s worth of crap. CNN isn’t making this stuff up. Thump calls it “fake news,” but it isn’t.

I do agree that there is a lot of editorializing in the way CNN and the MSM report on thump, and I put that down to the deterioration of journalistic standards in general. [Whatever happened to the inverted pyramid style of composition? Hell, whatever happened to subject-verb agreement?] CNN doesn’t hide their contempt for the President, true, but they’re not inventing his crimes and misdemeanors.

Let’s say that Trump okayed burning the poppies in Afghanistan, because he thinks that it will stop the opiate crisis. But let’s assume that this will have no impact because the opiate crisis is mostly about overprescription of opioid pharmaceuticals that are not made from illegally grown opiates from Afghanistan. (That’s probably not true, but for the sake of the hypothetical.)

But instead, burning the poppies has the effect of depriving the Taliban of the funding they need to keep themselves armed and employing soldiers.

Trump thus wins the war in Afghanistan for having made the correct move, for completely the wrong reasons and in the pursuit of something where that strategy was pretty guaranteed to have no effect.

Being right and being right for the right reasons are two different things. Trump contends that his ability to take the White House is proof that he’s doing things right, for example. I would personally view it as evidence that one should never underestimate the stupidity of the American public and that it is, in fact, possible to fail upwards.

Most people who are Democrats or Republicans are so because of the regional culture they live in, not because they’ve analyzed the policies of the two parties or even really care about them. How many of the kids that decided to walk out of school in protest over Parkland do you think really understand the debate over guns, have gone into the numbers, the history of the 2nd Amendment, done some soul searching, and come to the decision that this is the right path for America, versus simply doing it because it’s what MTV told them and their friends to do?

If we say that Democrats are correct in all things, that still doesn’t make the 90% of everyone who is a member of the Democratic party right for the right reasons, if they’re simply people who are going with the flow and trusting that those around them must know something that they don’t know.

And so the same with CNN. That they may be right is inconsequential the instant you accept that they’re stupid and secretly have no idea why they believe what they believe, why the Democratic party has the beliefs that it does, why the policy that they advocate is correct, nor why there’s a meaningful difference between scandal coverage and famine coverage.

Great, they happened to be correct in this instance. Good for them.

But what CNN thinks of things is not a factor that one should take into account when deciding anything in life.

But none of that addresses my point. You used the example of CNN reporting negative stories about Trump and Republicans as an example of their bias. I pointed out that it isn’t an example of bias if those negative stories are objectively, substantively true. Now you’re saying “They may be right but it doesn’t count”. That’s a moved goalpost. If you want to argue that negative coverage of Trump is an indicator of political bias, don’t then claim that what you meant was that you’ve looked deep into their souls and are talking about their secret intentions behind the reporting without at least some useful examples to support that approach.

Personally I don’t watch or like CNN, not because they are biased to the left but because they are biased to the stupid, the trivial and the sensationalist and have been for a long time.

Trump just tweeted he may veto the omnibus spending bill and shutdown the government.

cackle

So. Much. Winning.

Beautifully stated.

I do not except you assertion, nor should anyone. (highlighting mine)

Trump is an unparallelled moron who has no idea if he should sign the bill or veto it. So he tweets one thing out, then sees what the response is.

ETA: Remember Leslie Nielson calling balls and strikes in The Naked Gun?
“Strike?”
looks around for consensus

You bastard! :smiley:

“I am considering a VETO of the Omnibus Spending Bill based on the fact that the 800,000 plus DACA recipients have been totally abandoned by the Democrats”

hahahahahaha!

If so, could the House get 34 more votes and the Senate 2 more votes for a veto override?

I doubt the GOP would be willing to override.

But as we can see just from this a.m., I have no fucking clue what those dudes will do.

Both houses are on a break and not scheduled to return to Washington for two weeks.

Could this be the impulsive act that finally pisses of the Republicans in congress?