The Stanford Prison Experiment showed that people put in charge can very easily descend into brutality.
This would be an excellent time for Biden to say, wishfully for the first of many times: “This would never have happened if I was president”.
All of these people who are being deported suddenly have assets, money, clothes, furniture, some have property, bank accounts, etc. Legally, they are entitled to retain ownership of these within a certain time period and by submitting certain legal forms. The fact that some of these people are suddenly moved to detention facilities far from where they previously lived only makes it that much harder to fulfill the requirements, not to mention retaining legal counsel. Wondering if this is being done on purpose, and if so, who is gaining possession of said assets. It sounds as though the deportee is dumped somewhere with absolutely nothing, perhaps not even with whatever was on his/her person at the time of detention.
Correct. According to press reports, there is no way they are allowed in a CECOT cell with anything from outside.
Inside CECOT, The Prison that Nobody Leaves
Latest:
Trump administration says wrongly deported man is alive in El Salvador prison
The way I read it is that Trump is defying the court by broadly hinting to Bukele that he prefers El Salvador not to send Abrego back to the U.S. But Trump words this in a way that some Republicans will claim Trump did his best.
Maybe- many claim it shows nothing of the sort-
In 1975, Ali Banuazizi and Siamak Movahedi argued that the behavior of the participants in the SPE was a result of demand characteristics and not the prison environment, that there is no single definition of prisoner behavior, and that participants were simply acting in the role in which they had been cast.[[23]]…(Stanford prison experiment - Wikipedia) The study was also criticized for demand characteristics in 2012 by psychologist Peter Gray, who argued that participants in psychological experiments are more likely to do what they believe the researchers want them to do, and specifically in the case of the SPE, “to act out their stereotyped views of what prisoners and guards do.”[26]… In 2007, Thomas Carnahan and Sam McFarland argued that the experiment suffers from selection bias,… In 2018 Thibault Le Texier, a French researcher, in his book, Histoire d’un Mensonge (The History of a Lie ), questions the scientific validity and merit of the SPE.[28] He further discussed his critiques in an article published by the APA in 2019. Le Texier asserts his arguments using testimonies of those participants who were assigned as guards. In his opinion, the sadism and submission displayed in the SPE was directly caused by Zimbardo’s instructions to the guards and the guards’ desire to please the researchers. In particular, he has established that the guards were asked directly to behave in certain ways in order to confirm Zimbardo’s conclusions, which were largely written in advance of the experiment… In 2020, Dutch historian Rutger Bregman claimed the experiment to be dubious. He states that the guards were urged to act aggressively towards the prisoners…Certain critics have described the study as unscientific and fraudulent.
Psychologists Alex Haslam and Steve Reicher conducted the BBC Prison Study in 2002 to examine Zimbardo’s themes of tyranny and resistance, and they published the results in 2006,Their results and conclusions differed from Zimbardo’s ..While Haslam and Reicher’s procedure was not a direct replication of Zimbardo’s, their study casts further doubt on the generality of his conclusions.
In other words- Remember Venkmans ESP test? Yeah, the SPE was about that scientific,
Deportation of American citizens begins. (Allegedly).
Never mind. I don’t intend to start a hijack.
This is disturbing on a new level.
How is this algorithm making these determinations?
Should everyone be concerned now?
What to do if you receive something like this?
If I received something like this I would not even know where to begin. I’ve never NOT been a US citizen.
My guess, as with the SSA un-dead and 150yo people, they have AI-dragged any open records that have been through CBP/ICE for some sort of approval in the past (N) years w/o having any human look over the actual papers - so dragging along visa holders, “green card” residents, naturalized citizens and for all we know birthright citizens who registered for Global Entry or Nexus.
And my guess is that this latest at least partly revolves around Trump’s efforts to revoke Temporary Protected Status:
Immigration advocates are overwhelmed by Trump’s flood-the-zone strategy [Politico]
At the same time, the administration has also sent termination notices to immigrants on parole status who entered via the Biden-era parole program for Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela and via the CBP One app — amounting to over a million people who will become vulnerable to deportation.
Oh that we KNOW for sure is one of the roots of the issue – thus the use of “parole” in the e-mails. But the methodology for going after the parole beneficiaries is what seems to have suffered from the dogebois not filtering out effectively that specific cohort and dragging along other people whose names appear in CBP records.
Plus of course the whole notion of “scare them into self-deporting” that is literally aimed at EVERYONE who they think Doesn’t Belong Here, whether or not they have every paper in order.
I should have been clearer. I was raising the TPS point for ‘the broader audience,’ and for @Ellecram , to – maybe – help allay concerns.
I still don’t think Trump 2.0 is at the “round 'em all up, and let God sort 'em out” stage. Yet. They’re just disgustingly comfortable with wide nets and false positives when they believe that they can plausibly argue that they’re only deporting those even marginally “deportable.”
What is the act of terrorism most associated with these people? They’re always labeled terrorists yet, considering their vast vast numbers, I haven’t seen all that much terrorism in the news. Is this a sort of RICO situation where the lowest associate is as guilty as the boss? Is a life sentence in a torture chamber who we are nowadays?
When it stops being so on-point, we’ll probably all stop posting it:
Not today, though – sadly.
Can you imagine if they deported every young white man who wore athletic wear while flashing gang signs and talking about Thug Life on social media?
That man who was deported- illegally- to El Salvador- why is in their prison? Why does their leader call him a terrorist?
Bukele says that he won’t release the man:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5247965-trump-bukele-mistakenly-deported-man/
If I’m honest, to me it sounds like the US government encouraged him to ignore and refuse the request and is, likely, nefariously working against their court order and against the 5th Amendment.
A state prosecutor needs to start charging ICE agents with kidnapping. You aren’t supposed to grab people without proper documentation.
I doubt any state prosecutor is brave enough to do that.
This sentence works multiple ways.