Ask Kayla. 
This subject is not supposed to be in this thread. But this is bullshit. You can feel free to present the evidence in the thread where it is appropriate.
This. I think Buttigieg and Biden have the best chance of winning because they are most like Hillary but don’t have her long history of (totally manufactured) baggage. If the last election and the last 3 years hadn’t turned out the way they did, then the Democrats might need to swing for the fences, but they only need to flip a few tens of thousands of votes in a couple states to take the Presidency back, and that’s a much more sure thing given that the Two B’s aren’t hated as much as Hillary and there will be a lot more people disenchanted with Trump than pleasantly surprised by him.
Whereas with Warren and Sanders, it is a more risky gamble on whether they can win more people with the details of their plans and their intensity, or lose more people to red-baiting.
Politico disagrees:
So these documents help corroborate the testimony of a witness who Republicans were trying to smear as unreliable (and the fact is he did change his testimony which naturally will cause skepticism). It also corroborated that Yovanovitch was highly praised and most importantly it also corroborates that Nunes is involved with this, which means that new evidence is not just from the mouth of someone facing jail time.
Yes, we knew this information previously, but now it’s a hell of a lot harder for Republicans to spin because it’s in black and white.
Hey, at least the members of the media are real, unlike his Twitter cow.
Vicky Ward, CNN, who broke the Parnas/Nunes story:
‘Everything Is Connected’: Ukrainian Gas Company’s CEO Willing to Testify Against Rudy Giuliani
Just to piggy-back on Walken’s previous post.
Why not just avoid engaging in whataboutism ourselves? We don’t have to point to Trump family nepotism. Everyone has their minds made up about that anyway, they seem to have gotten away with it and what is the accusation anyway? It looks bad? It isn’t worth it.
The Hunter Biden stuff relates to this thread the same way it relates to the impeachment inquiry: it is really a separate topic. If you have a criminal inictment you’d like to make, go ahead, but we’re talking here about Trump’s bribery, his high crimes, his obstruction of justice, his witness tampering. Hunter really doesn’t figure in to any of that.
I am not Jr modding you, I am just saying Jared etc is (almost) as much of a rabbit hole as Hunter. Hunter’s imagined “crimes” are the “tax cuts pay for themselves” of the impeachment hearings: say it enough and people will believe it and become fixated. So unless nepotism is going to be an article of impeachment, we should pursue it separately, if at all. Nepotism will make a great campaign point actually, if it comes to that.
As the criminal behaviour becomes increasingly clear, the posts by Trump supporters are going to be increasingly comical. There are many reasons to hope the likes Guiliani and Trump go to prison, but I would just love to hear what Trump supporters like HurricaneDitka et al. will have to say at that time. I think it is about time for some throwing under the bus. I think next week it will morph into, yes, all of this criminal activity was committed but not by Trump. It was all of the underlings!
Your point is a fair one and I appreciate you making it. However, I’d ask that you look at the post that caused me to respond.
In it, steronz made a clear, false statement: “The extension is that Joe shut down a Ukrainian investigation into Burisma in order to keep Hunter’s gravy train flowing.”
Now, I don’t know if s/he meant to make an incorrect statement or if it was just inartfully worded, but it is a false statement. Because this particular falsehood seems to have somewhat successfully made its way into the mainstream dialogue, the untruth of it is a real burr under my saddle. I feel the need to correct it when I see it.
Otherwise, again, I agree in every way with the criticism you offered.
Whom are we cold warring against? We love Russia.
Yeah, the “crimes” of Hunter and Joe motivated the “tax cuts pay for themselves” comparison. It is unfortunate that bs can have such a gavitational pull.
I don’t know steronz’s intentions but I took it as describing the GOP strategy, which seems to be to deflect attention away from impeachment and towards the crimes of the opposition, be they real or imagined. And chasing this unicorn is baked right into the bribery/extortion to begin with, so it is hard to just never ever mention it. But deflection seems to be all Team Trump has got, be it election strategy or impeachment defense. The propaganda-driven nature of the GOP generally has been my own burr for a long time.
I am saying this as someone working a lot of 12 hr days lately, mostly away from tv. This thread is doing more to keep me informed than any other source, so do please keep it up 
It severely undercuts the ‘Rudy was a rogue agent and Trump had no idea what he was doing’ defense of Trump. Specifically, it implies that Rudy can’t be thrown under that bus alone—the theory would now have to be that Pompeo was part of Rudy’s scheme (all supposedly unbeknownst to Trump, according to the ‘rogue Rudy’ defense).
And Pompeo is highly unlikely to cooperate with any such attempt to deflect responsibility for the Ukraine scandal from Trump.
Perhaps another charge may be witness tampering:
No phones are allowed, meaning there can be no records of what Trump may be saying to those who will vote on his fate.
“Jury tampering” might apply to both the House and the Senate, with the House members acting essentially as a grand jury, voting whether or not to indict, and the Senators acting as the jury in the trial that could remove Trump from office.
Jury tampering, of course (not “witness tampering”).
Yes, just to clear my besmirched name, I was merely describing the GOP strategy as Try2B Comprehensive understood. I don’t believe that myself. Certainly Devin Nunes thinks there’s some “there” there since he was over poking around in Ukraine, so I think it’s fair to say the GOP strategy is to insinuate that this investigation existed and Joe Biden shut it down.
But I do appreciate that, as always, the quickest way to get the right answer on the internet is to post the wrong answer 
I know I’m not a household name around here so I’ll try to make my intentions more clear in the future. And I also respectfully drop this topic now that I’ve been reminded that it’s verboten in this thread.
For god’s sake. I’m sure he’ll be up to no good but you can’t expect the President to not have conversations with Senators and Congresspeople.
It’s hard to know what strategy Trump’s defense team is using at any given moment, but ISTM that the “throw Rudy under the bus” defense didn’t really take off. Plus remember Rudy holding up his cell phone and saying that everyone at the state department knew what he was doing and he had the records to prove it? It hardly seems like they were trying to keep Rudy’s contacts with Pompeo secret. And again, this only helps with the “there was no irregular channel” defense, since how can there be an irregular channel if Pompeo was in the loop?
Trump: Pompeo, I want you to break this crime.
Pompeo: Yes, sir.
Pompeo: Sondland, protect Ukraine from Russia. Also, do what Giuliani tells you.
Giuliani: Sondland, break this crime with me.
Sondland: Pompeo, Giuliani is asking me to do this questionable act…
Pompeo: Thank you for the report. The President knows that you are doing your best and I am telling him great things about you.
Sondland: Volker, break this crime with me.
Pompeo is smart enough to simply maintain a form of blindness to the criminal act. He will almost certainly have worked to insulate himself from it in a variety of ways. He’ll say that, as he understood it, Giuliani was working as the President’s lawyer and that he had asked the people in Ukraine to help Giuliani get to know the area. If there were reports that Giuliani was asking them to do things that were outside the scope of his legal work, and delving into foreign policy, he was unaware of them or simply thought that the people were complaining that Giuliani was distracting them from their proper work. He’s a busy guy, he talks to hundreds of people every day, they should have followed procedure Y to get his attention if there was a true issue but instead that only did procedure K and obviously that is insufficient.
absolutely - so, before the impeachment proceedings began, how many of these ‘retreats’ has the President held? Has he invited Senators and Congresspeople from both parties, or only the ones he “needs”?