Even if it looks like it’s the only way to win? I’m not saying that’s the case, just probing for how much you will give up to stand on principle.
Also, what if Warren or the DNC don’t make any inquiries, but op-eds like this are a Dem-friendly nudge to these governments to do it themselves? Kind of like a super PAC that can’t coordinate with the campaign.
I would not be too worried about media encouraging people with intimate knowledge of damaging facts, whether those people are in the US or not, to come forward with evidence. I would not be happy with media inviting foreign governments to interfere. And there are (obvously) really important reasons why presidential candidates should not invite foreign interference in exchange for favors, even if Republicans decide not to hold Trump accountable for it.
I guess I am more of an “ends justify the means” kind of thing, especially if I know the other side is already using those means. I mean, if you’re in a boxing ring and the other guy keeps kicking you in the nuts and getting away with it, are you going to stick to keeping all your punches above the belt?
Trump asks for aid to receive assistance for his 2016 campaign and gets it.
He is investigated. He is all but convicted (stupid memo). But he isn’t, allowing him to claim exoneration.
He then does the same shit with Ukraine, which people reported to various authorities. Also, he did it for China, Australia, Russia, more.
House opens impeachment hearings.
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E Warren asks Great Britain to dig up dirt on Ivanka. They do so. Biden asks France to find dirt on Warren. Etc.
After all is said and done it’s Cory Booker (D-India) vs Donald Trump (R-Russia). Cory wins.
Then every politician now knows that the way to get to power is via utilizing a foreign government. Every foreign government knows that getting concessions from the US means owning a Senator or Rep or more. Every American learns that to gain power in America, you need assistance from a foreign power. So now, when people explore House and Senate runs, they see which country has the most attractive package for them.
If a Democrat ever did this, especially while Trump is in office, is to effectively end the Republic.
You make a good point. But. What should happen in your analogy, is that the crowd rushes the ring, and strings up the boxing referee for not doing his job. And make sure a fair fight can be had.
We, every person of voting age, are the crowd. And are responsible for this current predicament.
When ‘The end justifies the means’ becomes a system of government, the outcomes never turn out well.
Link to the co-authored op-ed piece between the two.
Point being, there’s an internecine war going on at Fox between Trump supporters and people concerned about a post-Trump Fox. Tucker was seen as a pro-Trumper, but this is a pivot more towards the Shepherd Smith view and away from Hannity’s full-on support.
And what about if it’s Dem-friendly figures calling on them to do it, while keeping the candidates’ own hands technically clean? (Or clean-ish, anyway, since some of them would probably be big donors.)
To involve foreign governments to interfere with American elections as to gain political power in America?
Heart reaction: Has the world gone mad?
Head reaction: Will the true long-term result of all this be the destruction of the nation state as citizens are pitted against citizens by a proliferation of new entities attacking every nation in the world, weakening their control(s)?
I kind of wonder why in the fuck Barr accepted the job in the first place? A seemingly well off and intelligent man (politics, morals and ethics aside, I do think he is reasonably intelligent) would agree to work for a corrupt abusive asshole? What’s up with that?