The Trump Resignation Pool

When you believe in the conscience of a republican congressman, a fairy gets its wings.

You know that thing I said about outrage and shame? That also applies to decency and patriotism. Those few Republicans for whom the current situation becomes too much to bear simply resign (or don’t run again) rather than go against the party.

I know, I feel like a Jimmy Stewart character when I have hope for Republicans having a conscience.

You need to take the blinders off: an international system of oligarchy, which includes both American and Russian oligarchs, controls the Republican party now. This is not really a new development, really. Over the past decade or two, Republicans have become less and less democratically-minded, relying on voter purges, voter intimidation, and gerrymandering to win elections, despite the fact that a majority of Americans have voted against their agenda. Thus, despite the fact that the Republicans have gained power through legal and constitutional means, their means are not truly democratic. The consequence of this is that they have had to rely increasingly on means that are less and less democratic, because they have become the party of big money, and they have become the party that is willing to do anything – anything – to satisfy its super wealthy constituency that funds their campaigns. These are not just American plutocrats who are involved in the system; there are plutocrats with Russian ties. Russia has serious investment in our political system. It’s beyond just Donald Trump. And until the average American wakes up and clearly understands this reality, we are going to watch our constitutional democratic republic rot away, bit by bit.

But to too many average ignorant American voters, the president is doing his job as long as they have a job. And too many others trust that truth will prevail and that justice will be carried out, because it always has been. That is a recipe for tyranny.

I think we need to see IF the system works correctly should the Mueller investigation shows what I think it will. If Republicans keep a corrupt and treasonous government in place following this, then it is time for revolution.

The results of the investigation will be in the shredder before the ink is dry, upsetting the custodial staff to no end.

I fully stand behind my prediction.

Out of curiosity and not because I personally think it will be the case, but what will your stance be if they don’t find anything actionable? Let’s say that in the end, while they have found some leads, they don’t actually go anywhere near Trump, who was just a stupid fool and clueless about what was going on around him? While this would be ground for not voting for him (such grounds being larger than Everest at this point, IMHO), let’s say that there aren’t any for charging him with anything.

Will the system still have worked correctly, IYHO? Will it change your opinion on Republicans that they aren’t supporting a corrupt and treasonous government…well, not corrupt and treasonous on this issue anyway? Just curious, as I said.

Barring a major surprise event, he won’t quit since he knows there are not 67 senate votes to remove him via impeachment.

Thank you.

My own prediction is that Trump will not resign, and that in fact there will be no such visit; to the contrary, I predict Trump will be the GOP 2020 nominee.

I take no particular joy in this outcome, even though I do like being right. I’d rather be wrong here.

Three responses, none of which staked out a claim to an actual factual position. So in each case, the real answer could have turned out to be (a), (b), c(i), or (c)(ii), and you could have said, “Yeah, that’s obviously what I meant.”

If Mueller says that Donald had no part in it, then I’ll accept his finding just as I hope that Republicans would accept a finding that he is guilty as sin.

Didn’t stake out a position because it is obvious to any high school equivalent reader that he was joking by sentence 2, and when he concluded by having Nancy Pelosi on Mt Rushmore, even those with but a glancing knowledge of the English tongue could figure this out.

This is some prime Bricker. I love you, but it’s okay to have a light attitude and take obvious joke posts for the obvious jokes they are.

To ignore something implies an active or intentional refusal to consider or pay attention to something, and that’s not what was going on prior to your bumping of this thread for trivial reasons.

Per Google:

For a guy whose profession is all about using words precisely, you sure do fail to manage that more often than one would expect.

Sure. But what was unclear was whether the joke was a framework for the serious date prediction or whether it was all a joke.

In another current thread about the 25th Amendment I posited President Locklear in a coma and Vice-President Sambora as Acting President. The names were jokes; the operation of the 25th Amendment part was serious.

Yes, it was being ignored. Your second definition— to fail to consider something significant.

It was pretty clear to me, and I think the other posters in the thread.

But no big deal. Just another little Brickerism. It’s charming, in fact.

Then I expect you will be very disappointed. I highly doubt Donald Trump had knowledge of the actions of the Russians. I expect Mueller’s probe will show Trump is and has been corrupt for years - money laundering, tax evasion and a host of financial crimes. Whether he is held accountable for them is debatable.

Manafort, Stone, Don Jr. and the rest of the clowns around Trump? I absolutely expect some, if not all of them were aware of what the Russians were up to, yes. But not DJT. He has never been a man concerned with details. From what I’ve seen and read he just wants his minions to do what has to be done to keep the cash flowing and don’t bother him with the particulars.

Oh, yes. That’s why he jumped right in and crafted the “explanation” about the Trump Tower meeting – of which he claims to have no knowledge and didn’t attend – for Don Jr. on that plane ride back from France.

He acts as his own communications director, his own chief of staff, his own press secretary, doesn’t listen to his experts and just does whatever he wants to do.

He’s a total micro manager. But you think he was oblivious about what his team was up to on his behalf? Tell me another one.