The Undoing -HBO

i didn’t mind the fact that Jonathon turned out to be the guy. The story was more about how Grace dealt with “maybe he’s innocent” feelings. In the end, perhaps after he tried to set up Henry, she turned on him completely.

The cross examination of Grace was troubling legally, as the the mother-in-law’s conjecture was speculation, hearsay, and irrelevant. Moreover, it was clearly more prejudicial than probative. I can imagine a scenario where that evidence might get admitted, but the prosecutor’s argument “statement against interest” had absolutely no application to that line of questioning. It wasn’t against the mother’s interest or Grace’s interest, so what the hell? I would have preferred a vague “credibility is always relevant” or something like that.

Here’s the federal evidence rule on statement against interest (I assume NY has something similar)

(3) Statement Against Interest . A statement that:

(A) a reasonable person in the declarant’s position would have made only if the person believed it to be true because, when made, it was so contrary to the declarant’s proprietary or pecuniary interest or had so great a tendency to invalidate the declarant’s claim against someone else or to expose the declarant to civil or criminal liability; and

(B) is supported by corroborating circumstances that clearly indicate its trustworthiness, if it is offered in a criminal case as one that tends to expose the declarant to criminal liability.

That childhood song is actually similar to one we sang at Scout summer camp back in the day.

More and more courtrooms are wired and capable of A/V projection these days, but yes, with pictures as gruesome as that, no judge I know would’ve agreed to have them displayed like that.

Agreed, Procrustus, as to the bad lawyering and misstated (or omitted) objections.

I had to wonder what came next, after Jonathan was rearrested. Ideally the jury would not have been told that he’d fled, and could be sequestered long enough for him to be brought back to NYC for the conclusion of the trial. If any had heard what happened, the judge, in the presence of the prosecutor and defense counsel, could ask them one by one if they would be able to disregard that and proceed to closing arguments and deliberation (Jonathan certainly could not force a mistrial by his own scarpering). Then if, miraculously enough, he gets acquitted, he could be charged with fleeing and eluding and kidnapping…

A nice interview with Hugh Grant:

And a good overview of the finale (love the comment about Donald Sutherland’s eyebrows deserving their own cast credit):

This was my question as well. As soon as the prosecutor started questioning grace I jumped out and shouted “hearsay” right at the same time the prosecutor did. I agree that the idea that the statements are against interest is thin. Maybe you could argue a specific mother wouldn’t want to reveal damning information about a loving son, but there is no evidence for this particular mother having that sort of relationship with this particular son.

The other bit made more sense to me - the argument that this testimony goes to impeach Grace’s testimony, because she very specifically said essentially “I had no reason to believe my husband was not a man of empathy”, and here the mother’s statements aren’t evidence of Jonathan being a sociopath; instead they are evidence that Grace was committing perjury when she said she had NO reason to believe Jonathan lacked empathy… here was a conversation with Jonathan’s mom, that DID give her cause to doubt Jonathan’s empathy.

I still think those objections shouldn’t have been overruled so easily, IMHO. At least have the judge sustain an objection or two and show the defense lawyer having to get creative about how she questions Grace.

Fair point.

An interesting interview with the show’s director:

I slogged through the opening (the first episode only), and found it one of the most irritating thing I’ve ever watched on television. Can’t say exactly why it rubbed me the wrong way, but it seemed to go on and on with terrible music and pointless video.

However, I liked the series despite some flaws. It was interesting to see a guilty guy try all avenues to convince everyone he didn’t do it. Donald Sutherland’s character was interesting and multi-dimensional. Her friend turned out to be an actual friend with no unexpected plot twist (The other woman her husband slept with?) It’s hard to get past the mishandling of the murder weapon, but it did give Jonathon a chance to try to blame their son, which was the turning point for Grace.

My favorite moment in the episode (maybe in the entire series) was the lawyer expressing her disgust at Jonathan for blowing it only because he failed to properly dispose of the murder weapon.

That is a woman driven to win.

In thinking about this more, one motive that they could have introduced for this “blowing it” is that he was saving the murder weapon for use later if necessary in framing someone.

If that were so, I don’t think he would have been as incredulous that his son twice ran it through the dishwasher, as that would only be helpful to him… unless, hmm, he wanted to make sure that the victim’s blood and DNA was on the business end, to firmly tie it to the crime scene? He’s smart enough that he probably wiped down/bleached the grip and shaft already so that he couldn’t be linked to it.

One recap I read wondered if Henry (the son) would even know how to run the dishwasher, or if he’d be able to do so unnoticed, what with his mother, grandfather and, presumably, various servants in the house.

New headcanon: that’s why he ran it TWICE. The first time he didn’t realize he had to put in a detergent pod.

IANACSID (I am not a CSI dude), but I would think the very hot water of a dishwasher would pretty effectively clean wood and metal even without detergent. But if you were determined, detergent would certainly do the job even better.

As David Gerrold pointed out in one of his books about Star Trek, network TV dramas in the 1960s had a structure dictated by the fact that you had to have commercials every fifteen minutes, so you get an introduction building up to a minor climax, followed by a development building to a bigger climax, followed by another set of developments, leading to a more intense climax, and finally the resolution, building to the biggest climax of all. He didn’t say so, but this required structure lead to a distortion of the way stories are told, and to audience expectation. It sure ain’t classic drama. Frequently the intermediate climaxes seem artificial and contrived.

In today’'s world of premium channels, you have something different, but related. You split the story into equal-sized segments, each of which has to end in its own climax in order to keep the audience hooked not over the next couple of minutes through the commercial break, but over the next week until the following episode. We’re definitely seeing this in The Undoing.

Kelley constructs a good story and he writes spiffy dialogue. The director sets up the scenes beautifully. As someone who spent a lot of time in Manhattan, one thing that really came through was the “feel” of the City, not just the wealthy parts of it, but the street scenes, as well. The series had, to quote Billy Joel, a 'New York State of Mind."

But it was disrupted by that blatant structure. Since this is a drama, not a documentary, I know that it’s constructed, and the writer, actors, and director are all puppeteers controlling what I see, and, thus, my expectations and emotions. Most of us know this, at least in the backs of our minds, while we buy into the illusion that this is a series of real events. But it breaks our suspension of disbelief when we can blatantly perceive the strings. What’s troubling people, I think, is that they’re seeing the strings, way too often.

People above have pointed out the frequent “red herrings” strewn through the show. But it’s not just that there are these red herrings – Kelley is shaping the situations and dialogue around them in order to emphasize their importance, or to tug us in some other direction, and this has lead to the plots sand actions not being wholly consistent from one episode to the next.

Writers have an advantage in writing any sort of mystery – usually when you write a story you have to build audience sympathy and interest with the picture you draw of the character and situations. You do it in such a way that they are sufficiently interesting for the reader (or viewer) to keep on reading or watching, rather than going of and doing something else. But in a mystery, they know that clues are going to be planted, possibly in the most banal and uninteresting places and scenes. So the audience watches and pays close attention, because they don’t want to be “caught”. They don’t want to miss that vital clue. The mystery writer can count on an attentive audience that he or she didn’t properly “earn”.

So the people watch it all, and Kelley has worked to tug around the audience expectations in different directions in each episode. Nicole Kidman is the totally innocent wife surprised by her husband’s sudden out-of-character behavior? But then she’s spotted on video near the murdered woman’s studio. And there was a picture painted of her. And there are those scenes of the woman interacting with her in an odd way. So maybe Kidman’s character is the murderer? It’s not just the painting (which is unceremoniously dropped, without explanation, after this).

The son goes to eat with his parents and talks hopefully about the family maybe getting back together, something he hadn’t brought up before. He saw Hugh Grant and the Woman snuggling when he was at school, and was seen doing so. Then the Missing Murder Weapon shows up in his violin case. DA DA DUH. Maybe the son murdered the woman because she was breaking up the family? It’s not just the sculptor’s hammer in the violin case, it’s the writing surrounding it. Except the son’s behavior in other episodes seems inconsistent with that.

The show’s drift seems organized around these planted false expectations and for-the-moment-only words and actions that are quickly forgotten. If you put it all together into a single multi-hour movie, or if you binge-watched the whole thing its episodic and changing nature would be more apparent. You’d like to have a story appear as a consistent and organic whole, perhaps tugged a bit out of shape by the requirements of episodic television, but this show seems ruled by the structure. And that’s annoying.

Finally, the last episode has the son going off with his father (who he believes is a murderer, and is about to be convicted), which is really unbelievable and not really prepared for. They just needed a dramatic ending, with the father on the run with the son as hostage, a dramatic car chase (with helicopters yet!) and an almost crashing death or suicide. But it’s really pretty empty and meaningless, and just there to give the series a crash-bang ending. Even if there’s no crash and no bang.

The most annoying thing, to me, is that Hugh Grant’s character is an empathic sociopath, which is pretty much a contradiction in terms. Hannibal Lecter (or Lektor, depending on your version) is a sociopath who at times appears sympathetic (he gives agent Sterling a towel when she’s crying), but they’re few and far between and explicable on other bases. But Hugh Grant’s character is a cancer doctor whose success is due in large part to the rapport he develops with his patients. It’s how he charms them, and charmed his wife into marrying him, and charmed Alves into having an affair with him. His empathy would seem to be on constant display, not occasional play-acting for the purposes of deception.

That’s not a consistent believable character. That’s an artificial situation for the benefit of the mystery.

Thanks for that, CalMeacham. You make some excellent points, especially as to the pacing of a mystery miniseries.

But perhaps Jonathan is just so skilled a sociopathic “actor” and incorrigible horndog that he could build an entire career as a pediatric oncologist. It was a very effective means to an end. He could really seem to bond with his patients and their families, while using it as a way to get attractive young moms in the sack. The smokin’ hawt murder victim might only just have been the latest of many. Handsome and charming doctor, emotionally-vulnerable and grateful MILFs… you know the rest.