Who's watching CSI?

I avoided it as long as I could, figuring I watch too much television as it is, but I kept getting hooked by the teaser scenes (which I’d see right after Survivor) and now I have to admit I really enjoy it.

Forensic science is really fascinating, and this series gets down into the nuts and bolts of it: tape lifts, blood splatter patterns, elaborate ballistics experiments. And whenever one of the scientists imagines a given scenario, we see a brief shot of that scenario playing out. Neat!

I could do with a little less of Grissom’s “rogue detective who’s bucking the system” act and Sara’s “still wet behind the ears” routine, but these are minor impediments.

And I was worried that last night’s show would perpetuate the old “SCUBA diver up a tree” urban legend, especially since last season they took the “kidney theft” ball and ran with it. But last night they sidestepped the UL nicely.

This is the first thread about CSI (as far as I could tell). Is anyone else a fan?

I love it! I have yet to miss an episode.

It’s kinda like Law and Order. The show is about solving the crime and not necessarily about the actors. In fact I can never remember anyone’s name except Grissom and umm Warik? Love the theme song too.

There was a great episode last season where they had to figure out why a house collapsed; it was all sorts of different factors acting together and there was this montage of years passing while different furniture appeared and vanished (reminiscent of The Time Machine), while the structure gradually weakened.

I could do without seeing any more LiquiMen ™ though. :slight_smile:

Gawd, I find that show hilarious. It’s so bad, in so many different ways, that it’s very fun to watch. Plus it seems to be the only thing remotely entertaining in that time slot.

We’re working on a CSI drinking game. Only two rules so far:

  • Drink whenever someone says, “But I’m a scientist” or “But you’re a scientist!” or “But we’re scientists!” I dissolve into uncontrollable sniggering whenever they say this. If you have to say it, it isn’t true, kids.

  • Drink whenever one of the FORENSIC INVESTIGATORS who DO THIS AS THEIR JOBS ask a question that WE can answer because we watch Law & Order.

The Mad Scientist’s Daughter is a great convention–an ignorant character (often the daughter of the mad scientist in venerable pulp scifi) asks basic questions, allowing the knowledgable characters explain what’s going in in small words that the audience can understand. But you can’t have knowledgable characters pull double-duty as the MSDs! It’s just not plausible!

Gil Grissom is hilarious. He’s so delightfully self-righteous with his whole “I am rational, intelligent, and well-educated and I never show my emotions” thing. Every line he delivers is weighty, weighty, weighty.

I nearly died when he imbued a first-grader’s riddle with
the profundity of a zen koan:

“Say silk three times.”
“Silk, silk, silk.”
“What does a cow, drink, Nick?”
“Uh, milk.”
“No, Nick, a cow drinks water.”

You have to imagine this last line delivered without a trace of levity, deadly serious.

Precious.

Catherine also slays me. She so totally looks like she accidently wandered off a soap opera set into the middle of an action movie. Her body language, from head-to-toe, says, “I cannot believe my agent talked me into this gig. I actually have to get dirty!” It’s obvious what they’re trying to do with the character, and it totally flops on its face. We’re supposed to think, A classy broad like that, a forensic investigator? How surprising! Nooo, not surprising, unbelievable, because she doesn’t sell it.

I really love Gary Dourdan and Jorja Fox (who was the original reason we started watching the show, 'cause she was Zoe’s bodyguard on "The West Wing) but they contribute to the show’s major plausiblity problem: a bunch of attractive, fashionable folks running around delivering ignorant, contrived, unthoughtful dialog and saying, “We’re scientists!” all the time doesn’t lead to a good show about scientific inquiry. The other half of their lack of plausibility is that every damn murder has to be weird. Why don’t have enough straight-up bread-and-butter guy shoots guy, match the bullets to the murder weapon, yadda yadda things. The forensics behind a normal can be very interetsing, too. You need to have a solid base to make the show seem real, and then you can actually sell the strange cases.

The forensics stuff is fascinating, but I think it’s done better on Law & Order (where they have proper MSDs in the form of the detectives) or even better on some of the nonfiction shows on, e.g. TLC.

But, man, do I love the gutcam, where they show a weapon’s eye view as something rips through the body. Even better when it’s an ingested poison, slivering down the digestive tract, rushing through the blood stream . . . Woo hoo! Gimme more of that! It’s like the Visible Man, on acid!

I enjoy the show, despite the fact that I don’t think the writing is particularly good. Like Fiver said, much of each character’s development is more like a schtick. Each character also gets their turn playing a role - the one who is outraged by the crime, the one team member who believes the prime suspect is innocent, the one who is deeply touched/shaken by this particular case, etc. Also, I think many of the lines sound stilted or unrealistic.
But I agree with Fiver that forensic science is fascinating, and for me that makes the show enjoyable despite the things I don’t like.
By the way, what’s up with the new character? Did the producers panic when they realized they were doing a cop show without a hard-nosed Italian detective who doesn’t take any guff?

P.S. One of my coworkers calls the scenario scenes the “Gross-Out Cam” because it often illustrates breaking bones, punctured hearts, etc.

I’m watching it in England, so I expect we’re way behind the US. (You can tell how much by a recent episode which included the Dr. of Nutrition who used dogs to kill people so she could consume their organs).

Podkayne,

you know why they only show the tricky cases - same reason as soap operas only show characters having conflicts. Routine behaviour leads to channel hopping.

Of course they could get round this by having a larger cast, so that we only see some of them each week (i.e. the others are doing the routine), but it would cost more and upset the agents!

Yeah, I understand that, glee, and maybe they did do a lot of laying of the groundwork with normal cases back before I started watching it regularly. But, like you said, the fact that they’re all working these gonzo nuts cases every week stretches my already-strained suspension of disbelief. I mean, same thing with them all being attractive and fashionable–it’s to avoid turning off viewers.

Of course, I rant and I rave, but I still watch every week. :slight_smile:

Like glee I’m a UK fan of the show, and I’ve no idea how far behind we are. But I do love the show. I can see that all of Podkayne’s objections have some merit, but for some reason these factors don’t spoil my enjoyment. I just think it’s a well-constructed piece of TV that holds my attention, is a shade more intelligent than a lot of TV fodder, and usually keeps me guessing.

You’d think, though, that after a while the team would begin to realise that they only ever come across crimes perpetrated by people who deliberately do things differently than the clues they leave behind would initially suggest. But I guess that would spoil most of the stories…

I don’t think they ever had ‘standard’ cases.
I agree with everything above!

And now for some typical male trivialness:
I like Marge slightly better than Jorja, but they’re both cute.

I watch it every week, though my roommate and her boyfriend like it more than I do. The biggest problems with it in my opinion are:

1)They often wander off on some theory, only to reach a dead end. Then, they do one more test which they should have done in the first place, which directs them to the real facts. Example: the one in which they thought the guy may have been pushed off the roof. They found the stuff from the roof on the main suspects shoes. At this point, they examine the shoes of the deceased, and don’t find the roof-stuff. They drop the main suspect and go after someone who could have pushed him from the balcony. We’re supposed to believe that CSI hadn’t looked at the dead guy’s shoes until now.

2)CSI shouldn’t be interviewing suspects or coming along on every arrest. I see why the writers are doing this (so that they only have to have one detective character), but it just doesn’t work for me.

3)Way too much expository dialogue. This is what Podkayne was talking about. They feel the need to explain every forensic principle when it comes up, even when no one needs to hear it. Again, I see why the writers are doing this. The show is really a dramatic version of the crime documentaries you see on the cable science channels. They need to explain this stuff, or you’d have no idea how the crime was solved. But they just aren’t setting it up so that the character has a reason to explain it. What I’d like to see is for them to go to a narrator to fill this stuff in. It would make the show unique, while at the same time allowing the characters to act normally.

At the same time, I’m still enjoying it. When I saw the diver in the forest fire, I was appalled. After the porphyria victim was handled so strangely last year, I really thought they were going for the UL. It was great that they didn’t end up going where I thought they would.

Count me in with the fans. I think it’s a great show.
I understand what you are saying, Podkayne, but I think the (writers, producers, whomever) are thinking of those who may be new viewers…if someone says to a friend, “You gotta watch CSI !” and the friend has never seen it, they might not understand everything, and more than likely would switch channels. They just have to make sure everyone understands it.
OTOH, I totally agree with you about Catherine. Whenever she has to get dirty or wear a hardhat (like in the show with the collapsing house that Neidhart mentioned) she looked so uncomfortable.
I also like Gary Dourdan (those eyes!!) and Jorja Fox. I liked Jorja on ER. And the young guy who does the DNA stuff at the lab. What’s his name? He’s pretty funny.

I have a question about last night’s show…
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The landlord who killed his wife? Why did he unhook the water heater if he put her body in the water softener thing? When Grisson tried to wash his hands and there was nothing coming out of the hot tap (meaning WH had been unhooked as opposed to just not working), I guessed that her body was in the water heater. Why not put her body in the water softener, and re-route the pipes so the tenants still get hot water?
Or did I miss something?

I think this is the only network show that I make a point to watch every week. I agree that the writing sometimes leaves something to be desired, but it does provide me with enough of a story-line that puts to use the things you see on the Discovery Channel on the ‘Prosecutors’ and the ‘New Detectives’.

I have to agree with this:

Every time he is stumped, he makes some obscure philosophical observation and BOOM; all of a sudden things come together. AND…last night when the show was ending, he was sitting at the table eating breakfast and feeding the fly that had led him to the body…I just found this to be really really unsettling. I guess if you want successful characters, you have to give them quirks; but this is crossing the fine line between personality quirk and serious indicator of serious mental and emotional instability.

Regardless of my observations, I still like the show if for no other reason than to see what Grissom will do next week.

You need to make allowances for Grissom. He came to criminology by way of an advanced degree in entomology. It isn’t at all unusual for an entomologist to feed bugs at the breakfast table.

And now, since I seem to be on a roll, I’ll also predict that the priest in tonight’s episode is the real killer of those two men, and the pizza delivery boy is covering for him.

The delivery boy’s probably a gigolo or something.

I know, I’m just amazing.

That’s what I thought, too. Too bad it didn’t pan out. :frowning:

We got to her Grissom’s Profound Take on God, though. :slight_smile:

Plus, lots of gutcam. Awww yeah.

You get CSI, Buffy, Angel and Civ 3 before us.

Waaaaah!

I thought the exact same thing. I was suspecting that he wasn’t even a real priest, since he didn’t get Grissom’s “11th hour” comment. Come on, any first-year seminary student knows that story!
This one was rather creepy. Could you really bite open your own vein?

As for the other storyline, I found it a little hard to believe that someone with a shellfish allergy would eat soup without knowing what was in it. And why would a chef puree the lobster? Wouldn’t most people prefer chunks of lobster? That whole plotline seemed contrived to me.

I probably suspected the priest, at least in part, because that actor also played the psychologist in the movie Happiness who, well, I won’t spoil it, but those of you who saw Happiness know what I’m talking about.

The thing about Grissom knowing to call the priest “Father” instead of “Reverend” or something else, because Grissom’s a lapsed Catholic, seemed spurious to me.

I’ve never been a Catholic but if I met a man wearing a clerical collar, I’d call him Father. It wouldn’t occur to me he might be an Episcopalian or some other denomination that also wears collars.

Kinsey, of course you can bite through your own veins. Your teeth and jaws can handle it; after all, we can also eat ribs and other meat, right? You’d only have to be able to stand the pain.

I have a hard time thinking anyone could gnaw their own wrists open unless they were seriously psychotic or on drugs or something. Are there any real-world cases of a person attempting (or succeeding at) suicide this way?

Well, then, no, I certainly couldn’t do it. I’m a wimp. :wink:

The bad part about that is it makes the kid look guilty. And that scuzzy brother gets off scot-free.