Not a chance, me hearty! We were told tons and tons, GeeDubya wouldn’t even try to fob off something that weak as…
Hmmmmmmm.
You may have something there.
But it would be simpler to manufacture document evidence, no? Say a “Handbook for Nastiness” salted with sufficient scientfical fooforaw to look like the real thing? Long as you don’t refer to where they are and blow you cover. And our record at uncovering the falsity of documents that fit our preconceptions is, shall we be generous?..weak.
a. Moved to Syria. Nice thing about persistant rumors, nobody has to back them up with so much as a shred of evidence. Maybe he sold them all to Iran? He dumb enough to send them his Migs for safe keeping. Maybe he shipped them all to Kurdistan in a gesture of appeasement. Maybe you’re talking out of your ass.
b. He shot everybody that knew. Yeah, right. Every scientist, every truck driver, every guard. Shot them all. Didn’t miss a one. Read a lot of Tom Clancy novels, do you, lad?
c. Then we did, in fact, go to war over nothing more than our own ignorance and paranoia, either real or foisted upon us by a mendacious Administration. Because if they were destroyed, then our claim of imminent threat is just so much Bushwah, no?
Don’t despair! Recent developments in internet porn make a life of celibacy much more endurable. Or so I’m told.
Note to Squeege: I honestly can’t make up my mind about this Scott Ritter guy. Everything about him has been contradicted and re-asserted and contradicted by both sides with cites enough to read you blind. He’s either one of the bravest and most forthright persons I’ve ever heard of (albeit one infused with an adamantine sense of self-righteousness) or he is a transcendent flaming asshole of the first order.
Well, I think Elucidator’s response to my last post pretty much established my point about his open-mindedness. And his continued claim to have despoiled maidens (or anyone at all) pretty much explains his child-like faith in large monetary rewards.
A “child like faith in large monetary rewards”? Is it your experience in the world that such as these are not much in the way of motivation? Wanna bet?
As to open-mindedness, I don’t need to be open minded. I got the facts, buckaroo. All you got is a handful of weak conjectures and a mouth full of slur.
The guy who needs to be open-minded is the one thats wrong. In this instance, you.
I recall that KFWB (give us 22 minutes, we’ll give you the world) reported on a poll of I don’t know how many folks.
The results were that just over 50% of those polled believe that Bush either lied or exxagerated about the existance of WOMD. Of those, about half still thought the war was worth it. Which is another reason I hate it when they ‘poll’.
Mr. Rove has our number: we’re stupid. And we would rather believe damn near anything but that we’ve been duped into an unjust and needless war.
Meanwhile, money we need desperately for schools, old folks, and a whole litany of pressing needs gets sent down the Iraq Hole by the ton. Isreal is no closer to peace than ever it was, and Al Queda is blowing shit up. If that nasty shit was there, God only knows who’s got it now, and if it wasn’t, we are exposed to the world as a bunch of war mongering cowboys.
Yessiree, Bob, nothing but blue skies and sunshine ahead!
I took a stand that WMDs would be found, and I was wrong. You merely advanced a theory. Advancing a theory is logically equivalent to saying, “WMDs may be found or may not be found.” You were right, which is more than I was, but you get no credit without a definite prediction.
squeegee, I’m willing to admit that I was wrong, but you’ll have to rip my fingernails out before I take back the bad things I said about Scott Ritter. He was presenting totally partisan POVs. If the WMDs had been destroyed, how would he have known it? Only by taking the word of Saddam or his henchman. And, Ritter didn’t tell us about the horrors of the torture, the government kidnappings and executions, the children’s prison, etc., which he did know about. For some reason or another, Ritter was presenting on Saddam’s behalf.
If I’m a weenie, at least I’m a big one. Color me surprised they haven’t found anything. I agreed with Sam’s logic (note how I skillfully blamed the Commu…Canadian) that there wasn’t much reason for Iraq to obfuscate and delay if there was nothing.
I’m still hopeful that all the WMDs aren’t in nuclear anthrax drones poised to hit Israel from Lebanon.
I’d also like to add that in order for Iraq to have such huge stockpiles of weapons, there must have been MANY people involved in the manufacture and storage of these WMDs, probably hundreds.
Iraq is under U.S control, these former officials have NOTHING to fear from Saddam anymore. If there actually were WMDs SOMEBODY would have come forward by now.
Well, gee whiz, december, you’re awfully stingy with that credit. Not a Republican, by any chance? I mean, how could one definitely make such a prediction without being privy to all that Super Secret Intelligence Fearless Misleader based his actions upon? So Super Secret it still hasn’t been released!
But rest assured, your manicure is safe. Scott Ritter isn’t worth that much ammo anymore, not when there is so much evidence without him. And, just as I said, I still don’t know what to make of that man. Except that he has a very commendable list of enemies. Which ain’t, by itself, enough.
Does anybody else remember how the Administration was claiming that had a whole bunch of evidence about Weapons of Mass Destruction, but they had to keep it Secret for now?
What the fuck happened to all this secret evidence?
Just another false claim down the memory hole I guess.
There should be a Congressional Investigation into just what this “specific, credible” evidence was that led us into a War, but I know that with the Republicans in charge there isn’t a snowballs chance in hell of that happening.
I got two bits says it came from Ahmed Chalabi, whom the DOD was grooming for pres/ruler/king of Iraq. They made frequent reference to “valuable intelligence” supplied by his allegedly vast “contacts” within Iraq.
As to where that bullpucky about Nigerian uranium came from God only knows. I would sure love to know all of that story, but it aint gonna happen. I would suspect Mossad (Isreali Intell) but they wouldn’t have fucked it up so bad.
I think he’s both, but I can’t get a handle on him either, because ironically it was Scott Ritter’s denial that Iraq was a threat that convinced me that it was likely that WMDs would be found. In one article he did outline how during inspections Iraq went ahead with VX production, testing and such but they were caught, so that became his proof that inspections work and should be continued. I was already supporting the war solely for removing Saddam and his regime - all Ritter’s words did was give me another good reason. So I really don’t know what to think about the WMD situation. If that’s waffling or weeniedom, so be it - we need more time. Possibly the only people in a good position to claim the money are the also the ones on the deck of cards. We cannot even find Saddam and his buddies, and their existence isn’t in doubt, so…::shrugs:: We’ll see.
Sure. And I still wonder, every morning, why there aren’t five hundred thousand pissed-off-at-being-lied-to Americans on the White House lawn, demanding an explaination for this gaffe from GeeDubya and Friends.
