Oh yeah. Didn’t think of that. So, no quarantine.
As if this hasn’t been hammered in enough, I just have to add in my own opinion… Not only do I hate Andrea the character, but the actress as well. I HATEHATEHATE the way she always has her lips pulled like she’s smiling. Ugh. I just hate the way she looks.
YES!! What an amateur mistake, IMO. I can’t believe they didn’t catch that when editting.
But will there be titties?
As this is from the book, it may be a possible spoiler so I’ll box it up. Some of them are family from early on in the zompocalypse. The rest are just walkers. Herschel explains that it’s fairly easy to catch a solo walker. They’re slow and not all that bright. He basically just leads them to the barn and tosses them in. With a lack of prey in the barn, those inside just kind of shamble about waiting for their turn to try out for the remake of the video Thriller. Nobody told them about Michael Jackson. It’s very sad.
I’m actually enjoying this season the longer it goes. The writing is getting better. Everyone is prone to monologuing, but it’s starting to feel more organic. The conversation early on between Rick and Shane felt natural. I’m also appreciating Shane’s slow boil. Jon Bernthal is doing a great job with the character.
Having read the book, I knew about the barn, but they’d been subtle enough with it that I wasn’t sure they were even going to cover it. When I saw the note..:eek: It was very well done.
The one thing I loved about Andrea was that brief flash of triumph on her face when she thought she had actually done something right. Right up until everyone started screaming. She really is the most incompetent person in the group, fully capable of doing everything wrong.
I really enjoyed the theme of this ep as well, which IMO was based around the talk between Rick and Shane. Gotta get harder to survive, possibly losing your humanity. Daryl’s ravine experience and Merle’s appearance did that to him. Andrea is getting up on the roof and shooting at (mistaken) walkers instead of hiding from them. And then the barn is a whole new level of WTF.
I’m really starting to get a “Lord of the Flies” vibe from the Rick and Shane. Also when Shane was talking to Ricks wife he said all he cared about was her and Carl. I think in previous episodes Shane would have included Rick the circle. I think as Shane continues to drop his societal mores in favor of egocentric survival he will attempt to take his wife by force. I think that if the show continues in this direction one will have to be killed off. Of course if we go the" Lord of the Flies " route it would be cool to see Shane go away and reappear much later as the leader of a competing band of survivors.
Interesting they think finding the doll in the creek means Sophia is in that area rather than she dropped it down stream a ways when Rick was luring the walkers away from her and it just floated down to where Darryl found it. I mean, in terms of TV show, it probably does mean she’s nearby, but I’d like someone to at least bring up the idea that maybe the doll’s meaningless.
I don’t think the problem with Andrea is that she’s incompetent. Not to say she’s not, but it’s more of the symptom than the disease. The problem is she’s clearly unstable. When everyone was telling her not to shoot because it’s a bad idea, she was hearing "Don’t shoot because you can’t make it.
I am. My comment tonight while watching was “Looks like Shane’s got Lori’s period now.” That was before the RV chat.
Yet another 85% touchy-feely-navel-gazery episode… Meh…
They could have re-edited this one down to around 10 minutes tops;
Opening to re-set the scene
Woods scene with Daryl and Head-Merle (obviously a hallucination as he had both of his hands
Glenn discovers the Zombie Depot in the barn…
roll credits…
cut out most of the unnecessary namby-pamby touchy-feely crap and get back to the Zombie Stompin’, ‘cause right now this seems more like a soap opera…with Zombies, a kind of “Days of our UnLives” kinda’ thing, boring and tedious
Maybe you would prefer a video game to a tv show.
I have no problem with that part. It’s the part that they don’t even bother carrying weapons, have in no way secured the house, and have no apparent plan for anything other than a solitary walker. They don’t strike me as any smarter than the Rick group, it’s just that the writers have not bothered to be consistent. The walkers sometimes travel in groups, yet to date we haven’t seen any walk onto the farm.
It was not very well done. Why would she ask him where to meet on her family farm, especially when she was previously the one that took charge and she knows they have something to hide? It was contrived.
Yeah, I liked the episode and I like the season-long moral struggle of when to cut your losses on a missing child, so I generally roll my eyes at all the nerd rage in the weekly threads. But I agree that the note was poor writing. Why in the world would you let a stranger pick a random location on your property when you’re trying to cover up a huge secret hiding in a giant, obvious landmark?
One thing that annoyed me was the whole empowered woman “I’m sick of doing laundry” schtick. I didn’t think this was bad writing, but rather a natural extension of how modern women would likely feel. But this is the apocalypse, where repopulating the human race is the name of the game. The absolute dumbest thing you can do is put women in harm’s way. Women should never be on guard duty or on search and rescue missions whenever you can possibly avoid it. Keep them safe at all costs; it’s the men who are expendable.
Naah, already have one anyway, Left 4 Dead 2 on my 360
all I ask for in TWD is;
Less inherent stupidity from our Gang of Incompetents (exceptions being Daryl, Glenn, and Dale), they’ve been living in the Zompocalypse long enough to know how this world works, they can’t keep making tactically unsound decisions and expect to continue surviving…
I did love the “it’s a wonder you survived this long” comment though… it’s funny 'cause it’s true
no more soap opera whiny interpersonal crap
Cut your losses, Sophia’s a lost cause…
don’t act like you own the Farm, you’re guests there, making a nice dinner for your hosts is a nice gesture, but probably screwed up Herschel’s rationing and rotation of goods.
I don’t see the survivors replacing Herschel’s food/supplies (aside from the meds they’re using…on their own people to boot) they’re so thoughtlessly using up with supplies from their own stores, if they’re planning on staying, they need to do more than just take, the additional people puts an extra strain on the rate supplies are used up.
you’re guests at the farm, abide by the host rules or GTFO!
Andrea needs to be kept as far away from anything sharper than a butter knife for the forseeable future, and her blatant disregard for firearms safety, knowing your target, waiting for a clean shot just proves that Dale was right, in her current state, she’s in no way ready for the responsibility of using a firearm, Dale needs to confiscate her pistol, make sure she knows all firearms are off limits until she can prove she can make responsible decisions.
I don’t know if they’re trying to make the “survivors” deliberately unlikeable, but aside from Glenn, Dale, and Daryl, and perhaps Maggie when she’s not being all emotional and pouty, there’s very few of the characters I actually care about.
Shane; interesting charcter development, willing to make the tough decisions (abandon the search for Sophia, it’s wasting time, resources and putting them all at risk of injury or walker encounters), but also fundamentally flawed and unlikeable (killing Otis to save his own skin and get the meds back to Herschel and the Farm Crew.
The “Grimeys”; couldn’t care less about ANY of them, Carl’s a generic background character, no personality just there to fill the “kid in distress of the week” role (shared with the equally forgettable Sophia), Rick is an angsty, whiny prat who second guesses every choice he makes and will probably wind up getting some of the Survivors eaten in the process, Lori, couldn’t care less about her either way, care even less now that she’s pregnant, yet another pointless artificial hook to tug at the emotional heartstrings.
T-Dog; somewhat likeable character, in a generic way, nothing really stands out about him as “likable” or “unlikeable” though.
Andrea; useless, useless, useless, actually, worse than useless, she’s the anchor dragging everyone else down, should go visit the “Barn-O’-Zombies”, the group would be improved if she actually got up the guts to end her own life and join her sister in whatever afterlife she believes in.
Carol; “wahh wahh, my daughter’s gone and I blame Rick” aside from this one note characterization, another forgettable “wallpaper” character.
Herschel; too religious-sy for my tastes, sanctimonious, with a “holier than thou” attitude, however does have a tendency for accurate observations about the incompetence of the “survivors” and showing remarkable self-restraint and tolerance as this band of Roving Jerks use up his valuable resources and don’t give anything in return.
Maggie; dunno, one minute she’s all like “hey Glenn, let’s go and screw in front of these huge plate glass windows in an unsecured building” and the next minute, she’s like “go away, I hate you now, because you accepted my offer of sex and I’m not sure how I should feel, so I default to being emo and whiny”
The three things I liked about this episode were the beginning flashback, the growing (and highly realistic, to me) conflict between Rick and Herschel, and Andrea’s (again realistic) showing what a dangerously loose cannon she is. The rest, sorry to say, was…unengaging, and we really could have gotten to the barn reveal two episodes ago without losing much of importance.
With that said, even though I don’t much care for the more soapy elements of the story, I still feel it’s one of the more bold and ambitious show currently on TV, I absolutely love the location cinematography, and certain of the cast (the actors playing Darryl and Maggie in particular) are just great. I’m in for the long haul.
It’s quite possible for a show to actually have poor writing that fails to either advance the plot or to develop characters and conflicts in an interesting way. Taking note of it doesn’t mean that someone suffers from a poor attention span or is more fit for video games.
This season is just really poorly written on the whole. As I said before, I often look at “child in jeopardy” story lines as a red flag. It’s just a cheap way to hook emotions without having to work hard on it. Look at Carl, for instance. Since he’s not really in jeopardy, where has he been? And Sophia - she’s only been gone a few days, I think, but by this episode, she doesn’t seem really concerned about it.
To their credit, the issue of how to deal with a missing child provided some interesting discussion about the larger approach to survival, and what are the “hard” choices to make. What would it really mean for a group of survivors to adopt a callous attitude towards group members who were lost? Who needed help? Who were consuming more resources than they were contributing to the survival of the group?
But really, everything is stagnant on the show, and not in an interesting way.
It’s interesting to me to read opinions that are so diametrically opposed to mine. Obviously, de gustibus and all that.
Personally, I am still enjoying the show very much. What others are calling soap opera, I see as back-story or character development. Of course, what I’ve always liked about post-apocalyptic fiction isn’t the cause of the apocalypse, whether it’s zombies or nuclear war or whatever, but how people cope with that cause, the aftermath, and the rebuilding.
You’re going to get stupid, irrational people as well as stable, heroic people in survivor groups. I like watching how they deal with each other and themselves.
That’s not to say that I don’t want a conclusion to the Sophia arc, already.
Sometimes I wonder if I take it out harder on shows that I really want to like. I really enjoyed last season, and my wife and I have been anxiously awaiting this season. Yet, I find myself drumming my fingers frequently watching this show, waiting for interesting stuff to happen.
The farm has been too much like Rivendell, except in this case Frodo has decided to hang out there for three or four chapters, with no clear sense as to when he was going to move on and when he did where he was really trying to go.
I thought we were ready to see things develop after Shane shot Otis. But no, we’re back to the fruitless searching of the lost child being the occupation of the group.
This is an awesome sentence.
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Oh come on. I was responding to what was posted:
This is a show about surviving an apocalypse, not hunting zombies Duke Nuke’m style.
Was it me, or didn’t that ear necklace find its way INTO Darryl’s mouth when they were dragging him back to camp?!?
Shouldn’t he get infected from that?