This episode really shows the essentially gutless level of writing on this series that I think is the real problem with the series. Was anyone watching really wondering whether or not Lori was going to go through with an abortion? No, women on TV - especially women whom the audience are expected to sympathize with and root for - cannot ever actually have an abortion. Weirdly, it is perfectly alright to show someone getting shot, even showing someone blow a hole clean through a walker’s brain, but a woman going through with an abortion (something that millions of women do every year) can NEVER happen.
I expect that now that now that Rick knows about Lori’s time with Shane (and they can get beyond that storyline), Lori will conveniently have a miscarriage. I suppose that’d probably be for the best since given the rate at which time progresses on this show, Lori’d probably not get even close to full-term for the next 15 seasons.
I find it frustrating watching this show, because it just seems like it could be so much better - something even great. It’s got convincing looking zombies, great cinematography, a great cast - but it’s all let down by the writing. Draggy storylines, under-developed characters, and constantly making the “safe” choices in crucial moments.
When Dale said “they’re dangerous,” (referring to the walkers in the barn), Herschel said “A paranoid schizophrenic is dangerous. We don’t kill sick people.” He wasn’t referring to anyone in the show, just to the long-perpetuated and incorrect myth that people with mental illnesses are de facto dangerous, which incorrect belief is something that the media continues to foster in subtle ways such as this throwaway line.
In the interest of our sanity, let’s just go with that.
No kidding. You see a little kid; the zombies see dinner. He’s plenty old enough to learn how to survive in the world he’s living in.
I think it’s been well-established (in movies, if not in real life) that everyone gets super horny after a near-brush with death. It’s a bit of a wonder that ALL the women in this show aren’t pregnant.
You and me both. I hated that scene a LOT.
I’m going with Herschel at this point.
Dale and Shane’s confrontation was awesome, but Dale is a confused man. For one thing, Andrea is never, ever going to sleep with him no matter how hard he crushes on her, and for another, Shane hooking up with Andrea could possibly be the best thing that could happen for the group. They need a survivor like Shane, but they need him better controlled, and Andrea could do that for him.
And could we pull back from the extreme close-up a little bit? The camera is so close to the actors’ faces that we’re not even getting the whole face any more - it’s like one eye at a time now.
That’s a completely debatable point; Daryl is a great survivor, but he’s not a leader. Shane is of questionable ethics (and I’m being charitable at this point), but he does get shit done.
I have to give props to this show for one thing; we got all the secrets out in about the first five minutes of the show, with Glenn just blurting them out. I appreciated that.
But if the camera isn’t really, really close how can the director be absolutely positively sure we’ll see Shane clenching his jaw a bunch of times when someone is confronting him?
I remember when he told the guys that Dale was going to teach him how to change spark plugs and Dale asked him what’s going on. After dancing around it for a minute Dale told him to spit it out. I’m sure I wasn’t the only person thinking “What’s he going to say? Zombies in the barn or Lori’s preggers?” Blurting both things out at the same time was pretty funny.
Lots of Pro-Lifers don’t make any distinction between MAP and RU-486. Lori herself might have been one of them before the dead started coming back to life and civilization collapsed. Can you even get RU-486 in a pharmacy, especially on in rural Georgia? I though you had to go to an actual clinic (or at least an OB/GYN’s office) and have it administed by a doctor. Ironically Hershal is probally her best shot at getting an abortion, but he sure as hell isn’t going to peform one on a human female.
Were those trapped zombies, or just regular dead bodies (or zombies that had been “killed”)? In most zombie fiction whatever’s causing the dead to rise also drasticly slows decomposition. In Romero’s movies zombies were estimated to last 10-15 years in Florida’s climate (then again the scientist who figured that out was insane). In WWZ zombies don’t decay because everything from bacteria to buzzards avoids Solanum infected flesh. Still they only last about 3-5 years (unless they freeze solid).
I’d argue with you about what I know, but you’d get upset about bringing the comics into it. Also, who knows if that applies based on the way the series is going?
As Maggie said, options are limited.
As far as Daryl vs. Shane vs. Rick as a leader, I don’t think any of them make the perfect leader and I think that may be part of the point. They all have flaws of some sort.
For me, I’d take Daryl and Rick’s flaws over Shane’s.
As for Glenn, I enjoy his character. I hope he continues to evolve on the show.
I thought she was more wound up about being attacked by a walker while out running errands then anything else. I figured if the attack didn’t happen, she probably wouldn’t have made that big of a deal out of it…but I could be wrong.
The house IMHO looked like it had a fire in the basement. Those, bodies looked burned. They were charred and black. But not just that, the walls of the house (beyond the drywall with the hold in it) were covered in what appeared to be soot or smoke.
I was confused by this segment, it looked like they went downstairs, but the area where they saw the bodies looked like the garage, when they saw the walkers.
Is that what everyone else saw? Maybe it was some kind of split foyer with an attached garage?
So don’t argue based on the comics. At this point, from what we’ve seen on the tv show, I don’t think Dale and Andrea are going to get together, in spite of what seems to be a major crush on Dale’s part. I don’t give a tiny little rat’s hiney what happened in the comics.
First, I didn’t. I just mentioned that I would but you would complain, which you did anyway.
Second, I don’t give a tiny little rat’s hiney if you don’t care what happened in the comics, so neener-neener (makes raspberry face).
We all get it, you don’t care about the comics. So what? Your original gripe was that we were spoiling the show or mentioning things you didn’t care to hear about because they were in the comics.
Are we all to pretend that there was no comic that predated this show and that this show is not at least, in part, based on that still on-going comic series just because you don’t want to hear about it?
No, just pretend that you understand what the words “no talking about the comics” means. Jesus fucking christ, do we have to do this EVERY fucking week?
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As far as Daryl vs. Shane vs. Rick as a leader, I don’t think any of them make the perfect leader and I think that may be part of the point. They all have flaws of some sort.
For me, I’d take Daryl and Rick’s flaws over Shane’s.
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Daryl’s totally proven himself as one of the good guys, imo. He’s the only competition to Rick in terms of capability and integrity.
Though I think if this show were real there’d probably be an OCCUPY HERSHEL’S FARM faction already forming.
Anyone else take the dry-wall barracade in the hallway that closed off the rest of the house as an homage to the original Dawn of the Dead with the same artificial wall built to “hide” the access to the secured portion of the mall?
Perhaps it wasn’t intentional but my first thought was “Oooh, they tried to cover that there was a rest of the house where they were surviving from the zombies”.
Oh, and I thought the remains in the garage were burned survivors and not survivors that were eaten.
Well, this show does give a whole new meaning to being a 1-percented, doesn’t it? After all, the 99-precenters just want their fair share (of 1-precenter flesh).
Dale has a crush on Andrea? I thought he saw Andrea (and her dead sister) as a daughter, not a boning candidate. She isn’t a stranger that he took an interest in recently. After his wife died, her and her sister are the first people he started to care about, and they’ve been close ever since.
Taking the pills would’ve been pretty stupid. Then she’d just have a zombie baby living in her belly.
And the comics and show are different enough that it’s really quite redonkulous at how indignant people get at any mention of the comic. If you have to go through this every week, maybe your way is the wrong way. And I say this as someone who only read a few of the comics covering more or less what happened in season 1, after season 1.
That she went out of her way to call them “abortion pills” made me think she would have an “issue” with it regardless, but not so much of one that she didn’t find them on the shelf - and I agree, if it were not for the attack, she likely would not have been quite so loud about it.
Good point - they did make it obvious on the one corpse that the skull was intact - not sure what to make of it, but if there was that big a fire - I would think the house would have been gutted.
I though you had to go to an actual clinic (or at least an OB/GYN’s office) and have it administed by a doctor. Ironically Hershal is probally her best shot at getting an abortion, but he sure as hell isn’t going to peform one on a human female.