Only this show could make the long anticipated meeting of Rick and the Governor boring as sin.
Once again we get the withholding of info as a means to maintain drama. Why are they playing coy with actually telling Andrea about what the Governor did to Maggie? What’s with all the hints and eyebrow raises? Just say it already!
The whole thing with Merle was odd. So they have a standoff and hold Merle back from going. But was he restrained at the end? He yelled “let me go” at one point, but then he looked like he was just standing there leaning against the frame of the cell block door. And they left him alone. Why wouldn’t he just leave then?
I didn’t buy Hershel’s reaction to the Michonne Dilemma at all. I was surprised that he didn’t immediately object to handing over Michonne. And why is Rick so wimpy - “He’s just going to kill us anyway!” Jeepers, he does need to step down.
They are the two least interesting characters, so it’s understandable.
At least Andrea is finally being fully marginalized by all sides; it’s about time. She’s the Worst.
The “Let me go!” was in response to being physically restrained, I assume. Once he was released, he apparently decided to stay at the prison. I figured he’d slip out while Glenn had abandoned watch duty, but that’d be interesting and relatable, so it didn’t happen. They should strongly consider listening to Merle’s opinions on how to handle to Governor, since Merle knows him much better than anyone else in the group.
What the hell is there to tell? what they did to Glenn was a hundred times worse. “He pretended he was going to rape her but then he totally didn’t” wouldn’t have the impact of just not saying anything.
Really? You don’t think his girlfriend would find that information, uh, intriguing at least? Hey honey, I stripped off your friend’s shirt, bent her over the table, and humped her from behind a little bit?
I don’t see that going over very well at my house, and I have a very understanding wife.
(I get, by the way, that there’s an argument about the relative harm that was caused to Glenn versus Maggie. Why is that relevant to Andrea’s reaction to the Governor/Maggie thing? Oh, you dry humped a topless girl, but it’s okay, because a guy was getting the snot beat out of him in the next room. I forgive you!)
Yeah, it wasn’t “legitimate rape,” right? So who cares?
This is a rather shocking attitude.
First of all, what’s the point of comparing what happened to Glenn to what happened to Maggie? Violation and trauma aren’t competitions. Your feelings of violation don’t go away just because your incident scored fewer points than someone else’s.
Furthermore, you seem to be making the same mistake that Glenn did – that the only thing a woman really need fear is penis-vagina, because that’s what ruins you as a woman. There are other things that can screw you up pretty good. And what’s to say that something short of literal rape might not affect you more than literal rape?
Look these characters don’t live in the same world we do. In our world, what happened to Maggie would indeed be a terrible thing (and I am not saying it was all fun & games for her either.) But they live in a world where death and violence are so commonplace and routine as to barely even mean anything. In that world, the *reactions *of the *other *characters is out of proportion to what actually happened. Not Maggie’s reaction, of course I would expect her to feel upset. But everyone else was behaving as if it was some unthinkable act. It just seems like the writers wanted to make Maggie the victim of a terrible sexual assault, but then changed their minds about how far they could actually push it.
Is it just me, or was that one scene with Maggie and Glenn meant to imply that they were having sexual relations?
No idea if it’s in the middle of Zombie Hood of course, but there’s probably a laundry around there somewhere with lots of jumpsuits.
Particularly good dissection of the Governor last night on Talking Dead- his almost manic switching of tactics, the “b-o-o-h-o-o” over his wife’s death [yeah, that’s too bad… and most of my family and friends became zombies], and his “tell” of smiling before saying something evil or dishonest. And while Morrissey said (per Talking Dead) that he modeled some of the Governor’s speech and mannerisms on Bill Clinton, I always hear stage great John Cullum (bka Holling Vincouer- the French Canadian barkeep with the Tennessee drawl on Northern Exposure), so much so I’ve wondered if it’s intentional.
Speaking of Talking Dead, why do they wait until the 2nd half hour to bring on any actors from the show? It’s not like TWD is broadcast live (though a live episode could be very interesting to watch).
Actually, there are some places and times in the same world we live in in which pretty horrific things have happened, things that might not be all that dissimilar from an attack of mindless, cannibalistic monsters. And sexual assault happens then. And sexual assault still has effects on people, and there are reasons for people who have relationships with the victims to take it seriously.
Sexual assault is sexual assault, even in a world full of zombies. And after all it wasn’t a zombie that perpetrated it. It was an actual human being. Why should the people around her brush it off as if it were nothing? As I said, trauma isn’t a contest in which the atrocity that scores fewer points doesn’t count.
Boring episode. The Governor is just not written or acted well enough to pull off an episode like this. This is starting to feel like Season 2–they’re just going to draw things out as much as they can so they can end the season with a bang.
Eliza Dushku looked really great on Talking Dead. I wish she’d get another regular TV gig soon. The guy from Key and Peele had some pretty good observations about the show, and Lauren Cohan (Maggie) is adorable.
Why did they go to such trouble to show us the Gov had a gun taped up under the table if nothing ever came of it? Walter Koenig would be so disappointed.
It presumably was (clumsy) foreshadowing. They’re meeting there again, so I assume it will come into play then. Of course the Governor explicitly saying to his lackey that they were planning to massacre Rick’s group makes it completely unnecessary to also have the gun as a symbol of how dastardly the Governor is.
I figure when the Gov couldn’t get Rick to put down his pistol, he figured he couldn’t outdraw him.
They appently go there periodically, so he or a minion can retrieve it later.
I like how most people’s criticisms of this show are of the form: these people aren’t rational.
I don’t think that’s a valid criticism for several reasons. One, these people aren’t the best and brightest of their societies (unlike the hyper rational posters of this thread who feel the need to get on the internet to talk about how irrational fictional characters are. Totally rational behavior) by virtue of their stations; they are, after all, apocalypse survivors. I imagine genius and moron alike were zombie food in the early days, leaving behind the rather average citizens.
Second, they’re apocalypse survivors. Imagine shell shock (post traumatic stress disorder for the more P-C of you) times a thousand. That these people still function after a year living in some of the worst conditions imaginable is amazing. Assuming I wasn’t immediately eaten, I think I would have, if nothing worse, gone through a mental breakdown similar to Rick’s. I imagine walking through a concentration camp and walking through a camp of apocalypse survivors would be a pretty comparable thing.
I kind of figured that, but it wasn’t exactly hidden well. He’s all walking out and leaves Rick in there. What’s to say he doesn’t walk over and see it. If it’s never used again, then why bring it up in the first place?
It’s not like TWD is broadcast live (though a live episode could be very interesting to watch).