I think there was a couple of odd jumps in logic there…on the Guv’s part, not yours.
If some would-be tyrant ever murders me for being vaguely moral, I sure hope my brother doesn’t roll over and join said tyrant, but instead shoots him in the head.
The tank in camp appears to be an M60 Patton, which left U.S. service in 1997. I don’t see how it could be the one guy’s “ride”, given that.
An old friend returned, the FN FAL rifle, carried by the brother who was stabbed and tossed in the lake. This marks the second appearance of the FAL on TWD, one of the Governor’s Woodbury goons carried one too. That, plus the reappearance of the Governor’s highly-rare Steyr AUG, makes me think the prop guys/armorers don’t have a very deep stock of guns to go around.
Also, younger sister was right about the M4, it has reliability issues, which are compounded by dirt and using magazines that aren’t brand new.
They didn’t give us any idea of how far away the other camp was, or how far the scrounging parties were going. If it was a ten mile hike, then the Martinez camp wouldn’t have heard any gunshots.
They tried to lampshade that with Martinez saying he spared him because he had people with him, but I ain’t buying it. Martinez is a cold butcher just like the Governor, and he’s well aware of the Governor’s habit of using casual murder to cement his leadership over groups of morons.
Anybody else get a pedophilia undertone with Martinez’s comment about saving them because of the girl and everybody being required to pull their weight and sharing all resources? In this interpretation, the governor killing him was also a bit less about a power grab (though the next murder was totally power grab- in for a penny, in for a pound.)
No, can’t say I did. The first murder was actually an anti-power grab, it was the Governor’s rejection of Martinez’s proposed power-sharing deal. He seemed content to just be another member of the camp, until he later concluded that Pete would be unable to keep the campers alive, and his half-assed attempt to flee failed.
I don’t recall any indication that he killed Martinez to protect Meghan, he was shouting “I don’t want it!” as he killed Martinez, presumably in reference to “the crown” that Martinez offered to share.
There was speculation about a third group - the third group killed the camp, and are also the people feeding rats to the walkers at the prison.
ETA: Maybe the third group are the actual smart, useful survivors, who we are NOT following. 
Can’t be, smart survivors wouldn’t be murdering able-bodied adults, nor obsessing over taking over this particular prison to live in. Even if one accepts that a prison is the ideal stronghold, there are plenty of prisons in Georgia, and I bet most of them don’t have fences that are down, or well-armed occupants hell-bent on staying put.
On the subject of the third group, everyone in the Governor’s camp seemed pretty blase about a murderous group of brigands operating nearby. Their security improvements were shoddy and poorly thought out, and their location was unsuited to fighting off gunmen.
Was that scene with Guv leaving the camp, meeting the Zombie Quicksand area, then being back at camp again just really bad editing? Because I assumed it was dream.
What’s going to happen when new Maggie meets old Maggie at the prison? One will be all “hey, you look just like me” and the other one will be all “nuh-uh, you look just like ME!!”
Good point - okay, they’re not the smart survivors - they’re just bloodthirsty, evil survivors who like to kill and cause mayhem. 
I would think it be safe to assume all the prisons have somewhat similar situations going on. They’re probably the safest places to be right now. It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s small wars going on at some of them because groups on the outside what to get inside and groups on the inside can’t completely lock themselves down because they need to get out from time to time.
They were shoddy, but it seemed to me like they had only been working it for part of the day. Woodbury, I’d assume, took months PLUS they had a built up city to start with.
It seemed that Martinez talked up the Guv at some point since they threw their support his way (at least WRT helping them fortify the place).
I assumed it was reality…TWD hasn’t done a dream sequence before, has it? There was Daryl hallucinating Merle accompanying him in his search for Sophia, and a few other momentary hallucinations of Rick’s, but that all I remember.
Hey, I’ll take it. I’m in no hurry to get back to that dismal prison full of idiots, bring on more new characters!
Why bother fighting over a building, when probably 95%+ percent of the population is dead? That leaves vast numbers of warehouses, factories, treatment plants, military barracks, police stations, and other defensible structures to go around. Getting shot trying to take over a building that’s 8% safer than the factory down the road is the height of stupidity, of all the resources worth fighting over in the TWD world, shelter is among the least scarce.
And despite that, we’ve not only seen wars over housing, but at least two groups deciding to just plop down in a muddy field somewhere. At least Martinez’s group wasn’t in flippin’ tents like the Shane group.
All the more reason not to make a field next to a forest your HQ. Once they learned armed raiders were operating nearby, they should have either gotten out of Dodge, or used their vehicles to make a tight defensive perimeter. They instead had a super-casual two-person guard rotation, and allowed a zombie to get inside the camp. Imagine the damage armed bandits would have inflicted.
But, that is consistent for the Governor, his tactics are pretty uniformly awful.
He has main character powers.
Season 4 is the first TWD I’ve seen real time. How long will the hiatus be?
I don’t know if they’ve released the schedule yet, but in previous seasons it’s returned in early-to-mid February.
This episode had about 93% too little Daryl.
I guess this episode is once again showing the main thesis of this show - in the zombie apocalypse, the most dangerous thing is always other human beings. I don’t agree with their thesis, but it definitely is one way that things could go.
I suppose. This morning I found myself ruminating upon The Stand, where everyone was (more or less) divided into two neat camps: Good Guys: Boulder and Bad Guys: Vegas. If you weren’t sure if you were Good or Bad, you had dreams of either the sweet old black lady or the seductive psychopath to guide you.
Yes, yes, it’s not that neat, and we are all in our nature divided. I am sick of pure evil. Petty evil I can buy. Sly lazy evil I see all around me without zombies, so I can buy that too. I just don’t buy that someone automatically becomes an evil dictator and the rest of the sheeple fall meekly in line. Someone will argue for the moral good! Where is Dale when you need him?
Also, GEEZ they gave us new luscious Daryl with the longer hair and then whisked him away in favor of more airtime for the governor gettin’ some. If this is going to be a soap opera I want my boy getting action not the big evil creep who likes to look at the drown zombie of those he hath vanquished.
OK, I don’t want to nitpick; I love this show and I want it to respond to my every whim.
I’ve not seen it yet. Has he found shampoo? Soap? A comb, perhaps.
What does a plant know about sex appeal? 
That stuff is about 40 weight. He’s drip grease on a woman when they made out.
Whoever was feeding rats to the zombies at the prison was doing it from the inside.
Okay, so we’ve got the third group of evil sociopaths, and somebody inside the prison who thinks feeding rats to zombies is a good idea (probably the stupid little girl who thinks zombies are pets).