She shot up, the bullet came out the top of Beth’s head. Makes sense if the gun was between them.
If he did say outright that babies had been born since the ZA (as part of a remark about the Termites’ dietary practices), then that would shut down some options for ‘Judith’s conception and/or birth and/or physiology prove to be unique’ storylines.
Not all options, though. It could be that the writers would point up the irony in the Termites having been so focused on surviving that they’d eat babies–not realizing that they were destroying their own best chance of ultimate survival in the process.
This is a misreading of the hypothetical I was proposing. I should have been clearer, and instead of writing
…I now see that I should have written:
The point in my hypothetical was that something in Judith’s saliva had the heretofore unseen effect of keeping a person from going walker. I wasn’t saying that Judith’s saliva would kill.
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. At least, it had to plausibly be Rick’s daughter or she wouldn’t have even suggested it.
I’ve always thought it was weird when people suggested that the show is called the Walking Dead because you’ll become a walker eventually. This makes no sense. You’d become a Walking Walking Dead.
But, if there are no babies after the ZA then the name would make sense as the species is indeed dead even if some people are still alive. I doubt that’s where they’re going with the story but that would be a truly creepy story.
That is a cool skill but pretty useless if death is part of the deal.
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A possible means: Judith could bite some human who was attacking the group. Then the attacker dies–but does not go walker.
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Now, if this is true I think we have just found a weapon for Father Gabriel. He surely wouldn’t object to wielding a baby.
That doesn’t follow. If there is are no more babies after the ZA, then she won’t be able to have babies either. Why would she be able to? She’d be no different than all the other people conceived pre ZA, just delived post ZA. Why would that make her special exactly? In fact, there are likely other babies who have survived under this scenario but like galexies, they’ll likely never meet another one.
Dude, the Grimes boys heal fast. Look how quick Carl bounced back from being shot. I think the coma was 4, 5 hours tops.
Just in this episode Rick ran over a guy who had his hands tied behind his back. Then he summarily executed him. Ghost Shane approves.
I’ll admit to half watching some episodes while doing other things, but I thought the point was that Dawn needed to let some things slide because if she started cracking down she’d lose control of the assholes she needed. So it was less “nice job guys, the rape’s on me. I mean her” and more like if you want to make an omelet you need to…let’s say crack some eggs. Or was it all just an excuse?
Certainly she’s possessive and thinks she owns people after she does a favor for them (or invents a reason they need her favor). She didn’t seem too sad about handing out some beatings. She’s an egomaniac who thinks without her everything spirals out of control (considering some of the other cops’ behavior, maybe she’s right). Unless you think she’s a sociopath I don’t think that’s anything she couldn’t come back from. Compared to the Gov or cannibals she’s a girl scout.
On another site I saw a discussion over whether it’s realistic for a bunch of rapey dudes to let a woman be their leader for more than five minutes in the apocalypse. I think there’s some validity to that point, but there’s also a lot of historical examples of not-so-progressive types supporting a woman who “gets things done” and so on. Look how many iron ladies there are.
All the typical clichés that this show does annoy me as much as everyone else, including the clichéd ending of Beth doing something irrational when safety was assured.
And, Beth’s action so annoys me, that I have to find some meaning behind it. So, I’ve been thinking about it heavily.
The only thing I can come up with is that Dawn’s main method of maintaining control in the hospital was to never show weakness - even when showing weakness would be warranted and humane.
So, Beth’s action of stabbing Dawn was a way of puncturing her armor and showing her weakness to everyone else.
“I get it.”. As if to say, I understand how you work, and I’m going to rebel against it.
I just don’t think she thought the action through, or didn’t imagine she would be shot through the head, or she thought that she felt safe enough with the group around to try and get away with such an action.
Dawn’s headshot that killed Beth may have been caused by an involuntary muscle contraction as a result of being stabbed, her finger was inside the trigger guard on her pistol, the shock/surprise of being stabbed caused her hand muscles to involuntarily contract, hence her momentary surprise reaction when she realized what just happened…
That’s why Col. Jeff Cooper’s Four Rules of firearm safety are there, Dawn violated at least two of them…
1; All guns are always loaded - treat every firearm as if it’s loaded, even if it isn’t
2; never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy - she violated this one
3; know your target and what lies beyond it
4; keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and are ready to fire - she violated this one too
Just rewatched the death scene, there was about a seconds worth of delay between the stab and the gunshot, and Dawn’s expression immediately after she pulled the trigger was one of shock and disbelief
Judging from the shot trajectory, the gun muzzle was pointed at Beth’s chin, the bullet exited the top of her skull, Dawn did not appear to be pointing the pistol towards Beth’s head in the scene leading up to it, based on the video evidence, I’m guessing an involuntary muscle contraction in Dawn’s gun hand caused her to fire the gun
As Dawn did not appear to directly target Beth, this was most likely a negligent discharge, not an intentional trigger pull
How about this scenario? Judith dies, but doesn’t go walker, er, crawler. This implies that kids might be have missed the initial infecting event giving some hope even in the midst of the tragedy.
As long as she dies, and does not grow up quickly to be the standard Sci-Fi Savior Child.
Z Nation has already gone this route. In fact, Z Nation is starting to shape up as the more entertaining, less-pointlessly-infuriating series.
Pleaseohpleaseohplease let her not have that “Magical Pop-Tart Blood” for fraks sake…
So say we all…
Dawn’s gun was either holstered still or at the least pointed at the ground. So you’re saying–with only a second of delay Dawn rotated her wrist nearly 180 degrees and fired almost straight up…as an involuntary muscle contraction?
It’s the Walking Dead, anything is possible
If I came at you suddenly, you might raise your arm between us in defense. I could see that happening and shooting after being stabbed, either in rage or just shock.
I think her comment about how she could never kill anybody came before the elevator shaft. Also, pushing the guy down the elevator shaft could be considered self-defense because he had attacked her as well. I still don’t think her intent was to kill Dawn. Those scissors weren’t that big and probably couldn’t have penetrated the chest cavity and they were in a hospital with a doctor nearby. I do think she did not care if she did die at that point.
Maybe it wouldn’t be about her having babies, but her having magical spit or blood or whatever.
They actually used magical saliva in the last episode! A lack of babies being born after the ZA interests me, but Judith having magical saliva (or magical blood, or whatever) does not seem like a good idea to me, but I wouldn’t put it past the Walking Dead writers.