The Walking Dead; 7.11 "Hostiles and Calamities" (open spoilers)

If it is, then do they? :smiley:

The writing is notoriously inconsistent. The reason I think it’s top-rated is because of its production values and the genre. I’d say the cast is a close second.

-The actors speak the lines that the writers wrote for them.
-The actors wear the costumes designed for them.
-The writers and actors create the drama that repeatedly draws fans to the show.
-The makeup and CGI artists do a fantastic job.
-While zombies are currently a popular genre, there were a lot of zombie shows that did not last nearly as long as this one.

How much longer can TWD last? If the producers, directors, actors, etc. have successfully worked together to create a top-rated show, why should they risk alienating the majority of fans/advertisers in order to appease a few nitpickers? Plus, TWD has the Talking Dead to explain some of the items that the writers forgot, or that the editors excluded.

Really? There is like one gun per person in the US (around 300 million plus). There are probably a trillion rounds of ammunition sitting on shelves and in people’s gun cases. They’ll run out of zombies and people before bullets.

Indeed, just the civilian arms and ammo in people’s houses plus everything in manufacturing and wholesale and retail sellers. We’ve had Dopers state in gun threads that they personally own tens of thousands of rounds, and they are not exceptional. This says nothing of military stores in hundreds or perhaps thousands of bases, depots, armories, and other staging areas. Plus all the guns and ammo in the hands of law enforcement at the city, state, and federal level. Heck, probably every other building has one to several guns and 50 - 100 rounds, and every tenth building has substantially more.

This version of zombie apocalypse had most people dead/turned for a variety of reasons all within the couple of weeks that Rick was unconscious in the hospital. The attrition was far too fast for survivors to have used up even a tiny fraction of the arms available. Mining buildings for arms and ammo will remain productive long after goods like canned food have totally been exhausted.

FWIW I am pretty sure some people here are giving Eugene too much credit. This isn’t some 4 dimensional chess long con; it’s a weak guy who likes comfort and safety and found a way to get it.

And yet… For several years (and this happened a couple of times in my memory), stores were continually out of stock, and people could not buy ammunition.

Yes, there’s a lot of ammunition out there. But it’s not evenly dispersed. I think most of the huge caches have already been taken. ‘So what? The ones who found them have lots of ammo!’ Except everyone seems to ‘spray and pray’, as if they’re on some some sort of TV show instead of a survival situation. Even semi-auto burns a lot of powder if you’re not disciplined. 'Woohoo! Rock and roll! I have Lots of ammo! Full-auto, baby! … Hey, where’d all my ammo go? :confused:

Other than Daryl, Carol, Gabriel, Tara, probably a couple others I can’t think of off the top of my head. Maybe most didn’t single handedly “save the day”, but we certainly witness characters go through heroic transformations. Of course we also see them transform the other way from time to time as well.

Remember even Eugene showed bits of bravery when Alexandria was overrun by walkers. Also the whole “biting Dwights dick” thing after his various arguments with Abraham.

Echoing what **doorhinge ** said, I believe that Eugene is basically good, but extremely pragmatic (“neutral good” in his nerd-speak) and a coward. He will cooperate with Negan because he has no choice at the moment. Eugene isn’t going to defy or resist Negan the way Carl or Daryl would out of principle because he’d just end up dead. And he’s not going to do anything (like poison Negan) where there is a significant risk of discovery or retaliation. It’s not a “long con” game with Eugene. It’s basically a pragmatic “I’m here, there’s nothing I can do about it, might as well make the best of things and wait and see until the status quo changes”.

And right now, he isn’t being asked to do anything that’s immoral or that directly threatens his friends. Right now it’s just some housekeeping stuff. What will be more telling is if Eugene is placed in a position where he is required to make weapons against Alexandria or Hill Top or is otherwise forced to choose between the two camps.

Scenario 1: a substantial subset of the total population of ~330 million hysterically trying to acquire and hoard ammunition “before obummer takes it away!”

Scenario 2: 95%+ of the population is dead in a fortnight. Survivors spend most of their time and energy running, hiding, and looking over their shoulders. Some individuals exhaust their personal ammo stocks in fruitless rapid-fire confrontations but then end up dead. Remaining (smarter) survivors have little time to search out ammunition, what with all the running, hiding, and scrounging for food.

I agree that #1 produces shortages, but #2 not so much.

SO how about the guys who bought a lot of ammunition but don’t do the rapid fire running away thing? :dubious:

If they’re alive, they’ve got a good supply of ammo. Is there more to it than that?

But as I understand it, one didn’t have to be bitten to succumb. The Z A started as something like an epidemic disease. Lots of people died/turned who had never been in conflict. And their level of ammunition ownership was totally irrelevant. So while there may be some individuals or small groups starting out with a good supply, they’d be the exception. And most hoards of arms and ammo would still be available to be mined by random survivors.

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