Bernie is getting screwed over by the Democrat political machine. Hillary was pre-ordained to be the Democrat political power broker’s choice for party candidate. How Bernie loses shouldn’t matter to anyone as long as Bernie loses. In other words, fuck Bernie, fuck Bernie supporters, and after you get your head on straight, thank you for voting for Hillary.
And your point would be?
If Bernie didn’t want to get screwed, he could have spent the last 12 years preparing to run, like Clinton did. She didn’t get screwed because she did the groundwork.
Its a little like saying life screwed me because I couldn’t get into med school - when I decided to go to med school as a lark after graduating with a B.A. in History, when the people who got in did pre-med coursework and got pre-med grades.
Bernie had a lot of success in the Democratic process this year. Hard to say he got “screwed.” Sure, he didn’t win, but neither did O’Malley. We can only have one winner and this year it was Mrs. Clinton. As you may recall, she was the loser in 2008 despite having a lot of “political machine” support.
Well, actually, the Dem political machine and the mainstream media were completely in Hillary’s corner throughout the primary process, and did their damnedest to make sure Hillary won. Whether it was the near-total news blackout on Bernie during the early portions of the process or Debbie Wasserman Schulz playing her little games with the timing of the debates, or the way almost every “mistake” the vote counters made seemed to work out in Hillary’s favor, there was work being done. But it’s true, votes were cast and counted, and Hillary fans and the corporate media were able to deliver unto Charles Koch a Dem presidential nominee he liked better than the Republican nominees!
Aren’t you proud?
That’s right. Clinton had some advantages again this time around, but Sanders did very well indeed, and up until this week I saw room for her to lose again.
Bullshit. Remember the first debate in which Hillary got back to the stage late because of where the ladies room was - even though her campaign pointed out before the debate that was likely to be an issue? Remember the mainstream media keeping Bernie a story even when his chances of gaining the nomination were close to nothing. O’Malley didn’t get media attention - but Bernie got quite a bit. Remember all the negative press Hillary has gotten from the mainstream media that Bernie has managed to - more or less - avoid. And mistakes that the vote counters made don’t add up to 3 million votes.
Your confirmation bias is showing.
If Bernie couldn’t beat the mighty democratic primary machine, how do you imagine he’d beat the republican election machine, which is much more dirty and underhanded. What plans does he have to deal with all of the voter suppression tactics, polling station shenanigans, and all of the other electioneering tactics the other side will be doing this fall? Do you think standing up there in November giving a concession speech about getting screwed and the republicans stealing the election with dirty tricks is going to make you feel better about how the primary went?
Plus there’s the fact that Hillary won 14 open primaries compared to 7 for Bernie, so the argument that he’d win if only all primaries were open is false. Hillary has gotten more votes from the people simply put, and all the hand wringing over conspiracies isn’t going to change that fact. I like Bernie too and I’d vote for him for sure if he was the nominee, but it appears that he won’t be, and I don’t think handing the presidency to the Republicans is a good response to that disappointment.
I’m sorry that you are disappointed that some negative coverage of Hillary leaked through … you must remember that Fox News was on her case from Day One and ignored Bernie because they never thought a socialist could make a credible run at the nomination. and I’m sorry you’re disappointed that SOME media did give Bernie attention. Just a little.
The “main stream media” has been too busy pretending Bernie still had a chance the past couple months to shill for Hillary. To reiterate about not going down the same path the GOP followed i hope we don’t try to steal their excuses also, if you got your ass kicked it wasn’t because of the media or voter fraud. Spoiler alert: what the media doesn’t want is a boring election season with a foregone conclusion, a horse race is where the big money is, so if you support Bernie you should be thanking them.
The simple reality is that the election is likely to be Clinton versus Sanders.
Individual voters have a choice to make.
And that includes those who were die hard Sanders who dislike Clinton as well as those who loved Bush.
Will you vote or not and if so for whom?
If you will vote only if you are coddled adequately and won’t vote if you feel the side you’d be voting for if you did has not adequately kissed your ass, well that is your choice to make. Really.
It is your judgement to make regarding if there is a meaningful difference for this country’s and this world’s future one way or the other.
One thing on the macro level though … poor young White voter turnout would make future less interested in them in the future not more.
If Bernie were the Dem Presidential nominee, it would be rather hard to impose a media blackout. And yes, dirty tricks are Republicans’ bread and butter come election time. I would expect Bernie to do much better there than he did against Hillary, because in the Democratic case, the people running the primaries were the ones who wanted him defeated. At least in the general he’d have SOME people in his court. But hey, the Republicans still might manage to steal the election, just like they succeeded in stealing the 2000 election, and some say, the 2004 election. I expect Bernie to do about as well against the Republican shenanigans as Hillary would.
And there is the little fact that Bernie consistently polls better than Hillary against both Cruz and Trump. Y’see, the independents, they like Bernie. Hillary, not so much.
And now that Hillary has the nomination all but sewed up, if she loses in the general … it’s on you, Hillary fans. I know some of you will scream that the Bernie fans did Hillary in, but … no one’s gonna buy it.
:::reads the first and last sentences of DSeid’s post::: “You should probably drink some more coffee before you post again.”
If you’re the kind of person who reads and posts in the Elections forum, I’m sure you know by now why these general election polls aren’t predictive, so why bring it up? Think your audience is morons?
All I know is that if my candidate wins a primary or caucus it’s on the strength of their message, platform and experience. If my candidate’s opponent wins a primary it’s because of media bias, dirty tricks, underhanded tactics, and uneducated (low-info) voters.
This is just self-evident.
Hillary has 20 years of shit out there on her. People who haven’t been following the Democratic primary too closely haven’t had exposure to Bernie. And Bernie will have PROBLEMS come the general. There is the dad thing (it WOULD get spun by the GOP as a deadbeat dad story - and it isn’t at all hard to spin that way). There are the Cuba and Russia trips. There is the weird easy to spin as misogynistic and anti-Science “free love” writings. If the party and MSM had gone after Bernie - more people would know about those things.
I think expecting the same coverage as Trump is a little delusional, though I understand it’s fair to complain about it. Meanwhile as to the media being in the bag for Hillary:
(from the same month as your link)
Why would you expect that Bernie would do much better in the general election? He wasn’t prepared for the primary rules for each state. What makes you think he’d magically be more prepared for the general election shenanigans which will be much more widespread and serious than anything in the democratic primary thus far? Also he’s been trashing the Democratic establishment all along, but then he would welcome that same establishment to help him with the Republican dirty tricks come the general election? What about all the cries about fairness throughout the primary? That goes out the window once he would have won the primary? Principles shminciples?
Also, about those general election polls - http://time.com/4305514/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-general-election-polls/
I understand that you are unhappy that your preferred candidate isn’t looking likely to win the primary but I think you’re lacking a little objectivity here.
Everyone ignored Bernie at first. No one thought a socialist had a chance to do as well as he did. That’s one of the things he was up against. He did well nonetheless. Good for him. I don’t think Hillary got many votes because voters were unaware of Bernie during the primaries.
I feel like I have to add to every post, “I like Bernie, I would have supported him enthusiastically if he had won.” I even liked O’Malley.
Yeah I know, I feel the same way…