In the 911 call where you can hear 40 seconds of terrorfied screaming for help you hear one gunshot, the caller says “gunshots” but when the dispatcher asks how many she says “one”
People may say gunshots when they’ve heard one, and papers may print or say gunshots, but no reports say there was a gunshot followed by screams for help and then another gunshot, which is what you just suggested.
a great deal of many reports say they heard TWO shots.
they’ve been posted here, weeks ago. you can find them.
That’s not true. Zimmerman claimed that Martin was on top of him for a full minute slamming his head into the pavement and repeatedly punching him in the face.
If that was true, then Martin’s right hand should have been a mess. The funeral director was asked specifically about the hands and he said there were no marks on them.
Also, if Zimmerman had been telling the truth, his face and the back of his head would have been a complete mess, far, far worse than he appears on the video taken just thirty minutes after Trayvon Martin supposedly beat him within an inch of his life and supposedly broke his nose.
It’s also worth noting the initial police report doesn’t mention anything about any injuries to Zimmerman. It was only a later, supplemental one that did.
I’ll check but reports from who exactly.?Do they say the shots are spaced at least 40 seconds apart. We have that one audio and we hear one shot after 40 seconds of screaming. That’s credible evidence. someone saying or printing gunshots could be just misspeaking as that caller did. I’ve heard the other witnesses and nobody has said they heard a shot, some screaming and then another shot. Even the witness you’re pushing now didn’t say that. They heard a noise, like a whine and then A shot.
so, are you sticking with that theory that Treyvon was screaming because he’d already been shot?
The police says there was one gunshot. And they do have the autopsy results, you know.
I suppose that two shots are possible- from a murderer who thinks like Dirty Harry and shoots like Barney Fife. He probably missed the first shot.
I don’t know exactly what Martin claimed and I’m not willing to go by 2nd and third hand reports. I’ll admit the video of him doesn’t look like he’s been badly beat up but it’s also true that those kinds of wounds look worse a couple of hours later or the next morning,rather than 40 minutes later. and it does appear that one officer is checking out the back of his head. I’ve never heard whether he ever went to the hospital after being released and whether there
s an actual medical report of the extent of his injuries.
Did you also read that Martin was trying to get his gun? That could still be self defense on Martin’s part but explain why there were less blows actually thrown.
Also, banging someone’s head on the ground is not going to mark the person doing the banging.
A lot of gaps in information.
It’s interesting that you say the initial report didn’t say anything about Z’man’s injuries. How do you know that? I saw what I thought was the official police report which did mention them but it may have included the supplement and I wasn’t looking for it.
Well, he may have wounded him with the first shot, which would explain the screaming for help, but there isn’t any serious report of 2 gunshots from any of the witnesses describing what they heard.
And Barney couldn’t have fired two shots. He only had one bullet and it was in his pocket.
“You have to ask yourself one thing,…Do I feel lucky? We ll do ya? Because I’m really a terrible shot and seriously, you might get lucky”
It’s also possible that some heard echoes and confused them with 2 shots. Or there really was two shots. Presumably they checked the gun to see how many rounds were in it.
go on and post that autopsy report where it says one gunshot, porvafor.
The police have the autopsy report. They say there was one shot (well, one wound) - “Zimmerman then shot Martin once in the chest from very close range, authorities said”. Hell, they don’t even need the report - they saw the body. They didn’t release the report. They don’t have to, I am pretty sure they can’t, and they won’t until either no bill or the trial. But it would be pretty dumb (and, I think, prosecutable) for the police to lie about it when it is so easily proven wrong.
there’s exactly that–someone saying they heard screaming, a shot–screams of pain and desperation–another shot, then nothing.
look, you’ve done this: “i have my own per-existing ideas about who was screaming ((not martin!)) and how witnesses couldn’t have known it was the kid.”
–met with conflicting reports, now you kind of don’t want to accept said reports because you had already made your mind up and the reports conflict with that.
never mind the fact this report from an expert ruled out the screams as zimmerman’s.
i guess go on and throw out this other report from another expert assuring it was Martin’s voice.
also, go on and dismiss countless articles saying two gun shots as well as many, many eye/earwitness accounts saying two.
you hadn’t heard of two and had per-determined your mindset, and you will dismiss any contrary evidence stating otherwise.
probably you’re right, guy who wasn’t there, who read about it on the internet, who is postulating from some comfortable armchair far, far away from the facts or truth. probably you’re right. probably all this other stuff is wrong.
the same police who say martin wasn’t screaming, who bullied all the witnesses, and who refused to take a full statement from the most viable witnesses on the scene, who relinquished investigation due to a unanimous decision they handled it wrong, the chief of whom was voted down/stepped down for incompetence on this case.
*those *police said it?
well. then it must be true.
again, show me where they said it. show me their report.
Martin hasn’t claimed anything. He’s dead so he can’t.
I also wasn’t referring to a “2nd or 3rd hand report” but Zimmerman’s statement contained in the police report that his attorneys were trumpeting in his defense.
He claims that Martin was on top of him, punching him in the face repeatedly and banging his head in the concrete repeatedly.
The video makes it clear that this account is a lie because if Martin had been beating on him for a full minute and broken his nose he’d have been in far worse shape than he appeared.
Martin was hit by one bullet, and one bullet (the one in the chamber) was gone from Zimmerman’s gun.
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Zimmerman claimed that Martin was on top of him for a full minute slamming his head into the pavement and repeatedly punching him in the face.
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Do you have a cite where Zimmerman himself makes this claim, especially that Martin was slamming his head into the ground for a full minute? Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Shodan
as best i can find,
i think it’s just going to be left to internet debate and speculation until the real investigation happens.
in one news article by the Chicago Tribute you get every and all different answers:
followed in the same article with:
followed with:
followed with yet:
and then punctuated with the best part:
who really knows…
Your google-fu is lacking. I gave you the phrase to search, in quotes.
What I’ve done is examine the details as we have them and tried to be rational in examining them rather than emotional. I haven’t concluded anything because I’m aware I don’t know and I’m fairly confident you don’t either.
Although I am new to this conversation I’ve following this case and have done the reading and listened to the audio.
My point is that the two people involved were 17 and 28 and there was no CHILD yelling for help. Their ages are a fact. It’s not reasonable to believe someone who was inside and heard two strangers yelling could definitively claim they know it was Treyvon.
I’m aware two audio forensic specialists have said it’s not Zimmerman yelling. I find that compelling but not 100% foolproof I do find it interesting that you linked to them but not to any report supporting your gunshot but I’, screams, then another gunshot assertion. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist but since I’ve been following this story somewhat closely I’m surprised I haven’t heard anyone say that. As I pointed out, your own witness, who was about 19 feet away and spoke to Zimmerman, when she was on her porch, doesn’t claim two gunshots in the way you just did.
Please don’t assume you know my thought process. Just present your arguments and whatever facts and evidence you have to back them up.
On the audio with all the screaming the person calling does not mention a gunshot until we hear one. If someone is calling 911 they’d be likely to mention that first gunshot wouldn’t they?
So, aside from you asserting it, you haven’t provided anything to support your claim.