The ZPG Zealot handshake thread party extravaganza

There’s nothing insane about that. It’s just a tactic to try and make her uncomfortable. The only thing it means is that they don’t like her, and are willing to try to make her feel bad, ultimately in an attempt to get her to either go away or at least not feel comfortable saying that stuff anymore.

I mean, people have gone after me, too, and I don’t think they’re crazy. Mean spirited and holding grudges? Sure. Assholes and bullies? Probably. But crazy? Not at all. They know what they’re doing.

Your trollmeter is on the fritz, right?

She posts ridiculously out of the mainstream opinions and relishes in the attention it gets him/her.

Stop me before I fuck again!

Trust me.

They were not trying to fuck you. They were trying to get the fuck away from you because you are loopy.

To extend a side-discussion from another thread
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=853427&page=3

In previous places, ZPG Zealot has compared a man offering to shake a woman’s hand to physical assault (and an actual handshake to rape.)

I’m going to weakly defend ZPG Zealot here, and say that she admits the women are committing a crime, she just thinks (I assume) that it’s a lesser crime than a man shaking a woman’s hand. Which seems batshit to me, but it’s not completely logically inconsistent, it just encompasses a bizarre assumption about the relationship between men and women.

Maybe, but leaving aside the sexist overtones of different touching rules for men and women, she didn’t answer on whether a man who is homeless and begging for money can touch a women due to his circumstances of being penniless and homeless.

A man homeless and begging for money is still powerful enough to physically rob plenty of women. This is not the case for a female beggar a difference which most people can obviously see.

Funny to see this thread again. From my memory, I reached a sort of uneasy “agree to disagree” situation with ZPG, in that we both agreed it’s totally wrong for a man to demand or expect physical contact (such as a handshake), and that it was okay for a man to ask for a handshake, but we disagreed on which category (demand or request) the typical “man holds out his hand upon meeting a person” gesture falls under. I hold that it’s a simple request, while she saw it as a demand.

Beggars do what they do because discrimination prevents them from earning an honest living. Until that problem is addressed (and not by forcing the beggar to be whore) whatever the beggar has to do to acquire what they need to survive is a justifiable sin at the worse.

Except the type of woman who would would get asked and especially who would say okay is a whore. She’s made it very clear that if I don’t mind being asked, I’m a whore. So I’m not sure if “if you ask, you’re saying she’s a whore and if she says yes she is one” quite fits my definition of “it’s okay to ask.”

So you are saying, no, a male beggar is not allowed to touch a woman to beg for money? But a woman beggar IS allowed to touch a man and/or a woman to beg for money?

I still don’t like touching people and when someone offers their hand to be shook it generally doesn’t feel like a request to me. But I don’t have a normal brain[.
I also see someone starting up a conversation as a sort of assault cos I don’t want to talk to them but when someone asks you a question or shoves their hand in your face they’re initiating something that you didn’t ask for, and if your confidence and social skills aren’t strong it can be difficult to disentangle yourself. It’s like you’re walking along minding your own business and somebody wraps half a rope around you. But this isn’t nearly as as bad as somebody throwing themselves on top of you to hug you without your permission. shudders If I have to touch you, your fingertips are better than your torso.

But again this is just how my abnormal brain interprets things that I realize are seen as normal human interactions for most people. It might feel like an assault for some people, but prolly 999 out of a 1,000 people wouldn’t feel like that at all, so it isn’t accurate to actually label it as such. It’s just that normal people seem to really like touching other people for some reason and if you go out amongst the world you’re likely to encounter it, and have to deal.

I liked how earlier in the thread peeps mentioned that it’s okay to say that you don’t shake hands. It can be hard sometimes to get the words out or to remember to say them in the moment, but it’s a good thing to practice. Since most people aren’t trying to be mean or rude, they’re just being normal. When you’re different you can’t expect everyone else to know this and abide by it. Either you learn how to explain yourself over and over or try and just grin and bear it.

Someone at church tried to hug me a couple weeks ago and I just shrank back from her as far as I could. So she couldn’t quite hug me, and I kinda awkwardly patted her shoulder. She walked away offended, and I kinda felt bad, but I also thought that maybe this was good cos if she remembered that feeling she wouldn’t try it again, and she hasn’t.

Most people don’t try and shake my hand now, either. Except for kids and I do shake their hands cos they’re kids and I don’t like being mean to kids, and an occasional visitor. If I’m feeling super confident and in control of life my social skills do go up and there are times when I can shake someone’s hand and not even mind it though. But that’s rare.

I think it would be lovely if the default was to keep your hands to yourself and not to talk to people unless you look at them and they look back in response. But normal people don’t work like that, so tis the way of the world. Wearing gloves is helpful sometimes. :slight_smile:

It’s absolutely okay to say you don’t shake hands and not to shake hands. I occasionally meet people who don’t and there are a few different styles of not shaking hands. You don’t owe anyone details (unless you want to provide them) or even the truth (you can have the world’s most permanent cold). People don’t have any claim to your body.

But yes, when you’re the outlier, you have to stand up for yourself rather than hoping someone will just know. To use a (poor) food analogy, I can’t eat gluten, so I need to let people know that if they are offering me food. I can’t expect them to guess. And if they hand me food that has gluten in it, I can choose either to say something or to sit quietly not eating it. I can’t choose for them to read my mind, no matter how convenient that would be!

I should have included “You don’t owe an explanation.”

“People don’t have any claim to your body”, I like that.

I need to learn a funny line that I can always use. I haven’t been able to think of one yet.

I would be in so much trouble if people could read my mind. :smiley:
I would prefer it if I could send the message to them to not shake my hand without them having any reciprocal reading capabilities. That would be perfect. :smiley:

A gluten allergy must make eating with friends, especially if they invite you over a pain. There’s gluten in everything!!!

Does it have to be funny? How about, “Sorry, I have a skin condition and it’s uncomfortable to shake hands”. Your “skin condition” is that you don’t like people to touch you, but it’s close enough, and unlike a cold, your friends will remember not to touch you in the future.

For strangers trying to talk to you in public places, just shake your head slightly and look away.

I actually do have really bad skin. Not on my hands, but I bet that could work.
Thanks! :slight_smile:

I’ll have to try that. :slight_smile:

We need another damn poll.

Oh and Zombie thread.

This was meant to be the thread for all handshake side discussions that were becoming habitual derailers for threads.